[AT] Need some help, hard starting CR950 Briggs

Cecil Bearden crbearden at copper.net
Tue Feb 15 10:22:30 PST 2022


Stuart:

Don't give up the Day job!!!!!!!!!!!
Cecil

On 2/15/2022 10:24 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:
>
> So what you are saying is that you are stuck with ether or...?
>
> Sorry, couldn't resist. :)
>
> On 2/15/22 10:14, Cecil Bearden wrote:
>>
>> There are 2 types of ether starting fluid.  20% and 50%
>>
>> Cecil
>>
>> On 2/15/2022 8:19 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote:
>>> Thanks guys...I need to use it this week and maybe next week. I'll 
>>> be trying some things, especially Steve's LP trick. I wonder where I 
>>> put those torches. :-)
>>> One thing on my side now is that it will be 50 degrees today and 60 
>>> tomorrow. I may not need anything extra. I do know that one problem 
>>> is the thick oil in the tank and it not having a way to clutch out 
>>> the pump for starting.
>>> I'll try to keep you posted.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 9:59 AM Stuart Harner 
>>> <stuart at harnerfarm.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Remember the old fire triangle? Fuel-Air-Heat.
>>>
>>>     With the ever more restrictive regulations filtering down to the
>>>     smaller engines the manufacturers have had to lean out the mix
>>>     as far as possible. If you were to put a pyrometer on one my
>>>     guess is that at operating temperature they are running on the
>>>     lean side of peak.
>>>
>>>     As air temp drops it gets more dense but without a choke to
>>>     compensate the mix is just too lean to light off. To make things
>>>     worse they have taken all of the adjustments away from the end
>>>     user to prevent us from becoming criminals against the
>>>     regulations. I suspect it also makes the carbs easier and
>>>     cheaper to manufacture. If a bad one slips through, just replace
>>>     it or the engine because it is cheaper than figuring out the
>>>     problem. We see this in a lot more then carburetors.
>>>
>>>     Changing to a lighter hydraulic fluid will help make it easier
>>>     to spin the engine faster when pulling the starter. I am not
>>>     sure if that will help make a hotter spark or not considering it
>>>     probably has electronic ignition anyway. Faster starting RPM
>>>     could help with sucking in more fuel each stroke but then that
>>>     means more air to, so back to lean.
>>>
>>>     I suspect that Farmer's engine sputters once in a while is that
>>>     the raw fuel builds up enough in the cylinder to cause a rich
>>>     enough mixture to fire once or twice. Once that is burned off,
>>>     back to square one.
>>>
>>>     I am not sure that adjusting the valves would help any unless
>>>     there is a way to lengthen the duration. Taking out all the
>>>     backlash might cause the valve to open a fraction sooner, but
>>>     once everything is warm and expanded there is a risk of it not
>>>     closing fully and burning the valve or seat.
>>>
>>>     To get a more rich mixture for starting you could try to
>>>     restrict air (like the old choke plates did) or add fuel like a
>>>     primer does.
>>>
>>>     I have a Knipco stye heater that will not light off at any air
>>>     temp unless I use both hands and cover as much of the air intake
>>>     as possible. It lights in less than a second and then runs fine.
>>>     I have tried different nozzles and moving the igniter around,
>>>     but it still needs less air to get going.
>>>
>>>     On the 1978 motorcycle I once had it was a victim of early
>>>     tampering with emissions on motorcycles. When new it would not
>>>     start on a cool day and it had a manual choke. I rigged up a way
>>>     to inject a little ether into the airbox that was buried under
>>>     the seat. Had to put 10,000 miles on that bike before it got
>>>     over that problem.
>>>
>>>     The idea of using an unlit torch to add a little fuel sounds
>>>     like a good one. Red Green would just slap a little piece of
>>>     duct tape on the air intake until it warms up.
>>>
>>>     Best of luck to Farmer getting this working.
>>>
>>>     Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 2/14/22 01:34, Greg Hass wrote:
>>>>     I have a JD Zero Turn with 27 hp. Briggs engine and electric
>>>>     start. Anything around 45 to 50 degrees and it just wouldn't
>>>>     start. It does not idle good either, but the book says that is
>>>>     because of emissions control. My brother has a Simplicity zero
>>>>     turn 3 years old and several times has tried to start it in 40
>>>>     degree and it just won't fire so it is not just my mower. Both
>>>>     engines have fixed jets so no adjustment is possible. It is
>>>>     possible other things could be wrong, but my only other idea is
>>>>     to make sure it has fresh WINTER blend gas.
>>>>            Greg Hass
>>>>
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>>>>     On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 8:15 AM Moe Fretz
>>>>     <tubetester at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Try this site, they should be able to help  you.
>>>>
>>>>         http://ppeten.com/forums/search.php?search_id=newposts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 18:51 Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             Hi Farmer,
>>>>              Just a thought, my log splitter was hard to start in
>>>>             cold weather, until I changed the hydraulic fluid from
>>>>             the OEM  fluid to transmission fluid,a whole world of
>>>>             difference.
>>>>
>>>>             Mike M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             On 2/12/2022 9:24 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>>>>             Hi farmer:  I'd have to think you've already been down
>>>>>             this road, but, I'll say for the record that I've had
>>>>>             pretty decent luck downloading manuals from the Briggs
>>>>>             site.  But I haven't done it lately, and it's always
>>>>>             20-year old stuff when I do.   The other thing I'll
>>>>>             mention is the good old unlit propane torch in the
>>>>>             intake trick.  That's my go-to when they're almost
>>>>>             trying to start. There's spark and fuel but the modern
>>>>>             carburetors are set lean for emissions and it just
>>>>>             seems that the choke doesn't quite get the mixture
>>>>>             rich enough.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Good luck,
>>>>>             Steve O.
>>>>>
>>>>>             On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 7:43 PM Indiana Robinson
>>>>>             <robinson46176 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                 We have a log splitter a couple of years old that
>>>>>                 has a OHV CR950 Briggs. It only has a few hours on
>>>>>                 it but has become quite hard to start (recoil
>>>>>                 start). It is way too recent for my knowledge
>>>>>                 base... It seems that most things are these days.
>>>>>                 Apparently the OHV Brigg's have a cam bump
>>>>>                 "compression relief" I also understand that there
>>>>>                 is an important valve adjustment procedure that
>>>>>                 can normally improve starting problems. We can't
>>>>>                 find a site that gives a clear and understandable
>>>>>                 explanation of the procedure.
>>>>>                 Does anyone know of a site with a clear
>>>>>                 description of how to do it? It will usually start
>>>>>                 if it is sitting in the sun and the temp is at
>>>>>                 least 50... Yesterday at 45 degrees it "ALMOST"
>>>>>                 started 837 times... It keeps firing enough to
>>>>>                 keep you trying and trying...
>>>>>                 Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>                 -- 
>>>>>                 -- 
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Francis Robinson
>>>>>                 aka "farmer"
>>>>>                 Central Indiana USA
>>>>>                 robinson46176 at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> Francis Robinson
>>> aka "farmer"
>>> Central Indiana USA
>>> robinson46176 at gmail.com
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