[AT] Need some help, hard starting CR950 Briggs

Stuart Harner stuart at harnerfarm.net
Tue Feb 15 08:24:45 PST 2022


So what you are saying is that you are stuck with ether or...?

Sorry, couldn't resist. :)

On 2/15/22 10:14, Cecil Bearden wrote:
>
> There are 2 types of ether starting fluid.  20% and 50%
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> Cecil
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> On 2/15/2022 8:19 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote:
>> Thanks guys...I need to use it this week and maybe next week. I'll be 
>> trying some things, especially Steve's LP trick. I wonder where I put 
>> those torches. :-)
>> One thing on my side now is that it will be 50 degrees today and 60 
>> tomorrow. I may not need anything extra. I do know that one problem 
>> is the thick oil in the tank and it not having a way to clutch out 
>> the pump for starting.
>> I'll try to keep you posted.
>>
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>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 9:59 AM Stuart Harner <stuart at harnerfarm.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>     Remember the old fire triangle? Fuel-Air-Heat.
>>
>>     With the ever more restrictive regulations filtering down to the
>>     smaller engines the manufacturers have had to lean out the mix as
>>     far as possible. If you were to put a pyrometer on one my guess
>>     is that at operating temperature they are running on the lean
>>     side of peak.
>>
>>     As air temp drops it gets more dense but without a choke to
>>     compensate the mix is just too lean to light off. To make things
>>     worse they have taken all of the adjustments away from the end
>>     user to prevent us from becoming criminals against the
>>     regulations. I suspect it also makes the carbs easier and cheaper
>>     to manufacture. If a bad one slips through, just replace it or
>>     the engine because it is cheaper than figuring out the problem.
>>     We see this in a lot more then carburetors.
>>
>>     Changing to a lighter hydraulic fluid will help make it easier to
>>     spin the engine faster when pulling the starter. I am not sure if
>>     that will help make a hotter spark or not considering it probably
>>     has electronic ignition anyway. Faster starting RPM could help
>>     with sucking in more fuel each stroke but then that means more
>>     air to, so back to lean.
>>
>>     I suspect that Farmer's engine sputters once in a while is that
>>     the raw fuel builds up enough in the cylinder to cause a rich
>>     enough mixture to fire once or twice. Once that is burned off,
>>     back to square one.
>>
>>     I am not sure that adjusting the valves would help any unless
>>     there is a way to lengthen the duration. Taking out all the
>>     backlash might cause the valve to open a fraction sooner, but
>>     once everything is warm and expanded there is a risk of it not
>>     closing fully and burning the valve or seat.
>>
>>     To get a more rich mixture for starting you could try to restrict
>>     air (like the old choke plates did) or add fuel like a primer does.
>>
>>     I have a Knipco stye heater that will not light off at any air
>>     temp unless I use both hands and cover as much of the air intake
>>     as possible. It lights in less than a second and then runs fine.
>>     I have tried different nozzles and moving the igniter around, but
>>     it still needs less air to get going.
>>
>>     On the 1978 motorcycle I once had it was a victim of early
>>     tampering with emissions on motorcycles. When new it would not
>>     start on a cool day and it had a manual choke. I rigged up a way
>>     to inject a little ether into the airbox that was buried under
>>     the seat. Had to put 10,000 miles on that bike before it got over
>>     that problem.
>>
>>     The idea of using an unlit torch to add a little fuel sounds like
>>     a good one. Red Green would just slap a little piece of duct tape
>>     on the air intake until it warms up.
>>
>>     Best of luck to Farmer getting this working.
>>
>>     Stuart
>>
>>
>>     On 2/14/22 01:34, Greg Hass wrote:
>>>     I have a JD Zero Turn with 27 hp. Briggs engine and electric
>>>     start. Anything around 45 to 50 degrees and it just wouldn't
>>>     start. It does not idle good either, but the book says that is
>>>     because of emissions control. My brother has a Simplicity zero
>>>     turn 3 years old and several times has tried to start it in 40
>>>     degree and it just won't fire so it is not just my mower. Both
>>>     engines have fixed jets so no adjustment is possible. It is
>>>     possible other things could be wrong, but my only other idea is
>>>     to make sure it has fresh WINTER blend gas.
>>>            Greg Hass
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>>>     On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 8:15 AM Moe Fretz <tubetester at gmail.com>
>>>     wrote:
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>>>         Try this site, they should be able to help  you.
>>>
>>>         http://ppeten.com/forums/search.php?search_id=newposts
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>>>         On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 18:51 Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Hi Farmer,
>>>              Just a thought, my log splitter was hard to start in
>>>             cold weather, until I changed the hydraulic fluid from
>>>             the OEM  fluid to transmission fluid,a whole world of
>>>             difference.
>>>
>>>             Mike M
>>>
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>>>             On 2/12/2022 9:24 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>>>             Hi farmer:  I'd have to think you've already been down
>>>>             this road, but, I'll say for the record that I've had
>>>>             pretty decent luck downloading manuals from the Briggs
>>>>             site.  But I haven't done it lately, and it's always
>>>>             20-year old stuff when I do.   The other thing I'll
>>>>             mention is the good old unlit propane torch in the
>>>>             intake trick. That's my go-to when they're almost
>>>>             trying to start.  There's spark and fuel but the modern
>>>>             carburetors are set lean for emissions and it just
>>>>             seems that the choke doesn't quite get the mixture rich
>>>>             enough.
>>>>
>>>>             Good luck,
>>>>             Steve O.
>>>>
>>>>             On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 7:43 PM Indiana Robinson
>>>>             <robinson46176 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                 We have a log splitter a couple of years old that
>>>>                 has a OHV CR950 Briggs. It only has a few hours on
>>>>                 it but has become quite hard to start (recoil
>>>>                 start). It is way too recent for my knowledge
>>>>                 base... It seems that most things are these days.
>>>>                 Apparently the OHV Brigg's have a cam bump
>>>>                 "compression relief" I also understand that there
>>>>                 is an important valve adjustment procedure that can
>>>>                 normally improve starting problems. We can't find a
>>>>                 site that gives a clear and understandable
>>>>                 explanation of the procedure.
>>>>                 Does anyone know of a site with a clear description
>>>>                 of how to do it? It will usually start if it is
>>>>                 sitting in the sun and the temp is at least 50...
>>>>                 Yesterday at 45 degrees it "ALMOST" started 837
>>>>                 times... It keeps firing enough to keep you trying
>>>>                 and trying...
>>>>                 Thanks
>>>>
>>>>                 -- 
>>>>                 -- 
>>>>
>>>>                 Francis Robinson
>>>>                 aka "farmer"
>>>>                 Central Indiana USA
>>>>                 robinson46176 at gmail.com
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