[AT] Rivets and rivet countersink

Tue Mar 10 09:51:40 PDT 2020

Thanks all for the interest in this thread.  I have a version of the tool in the link below, and for those that wondered in my earlier post, it also shows the countersink.  I have a larger version of the rivet setting tool also.  I have places where the holes require larger rivets than this tool uses, thus the added need for larger countersinks, that is where the HF bits came into play.  The third hand reference was primarily directed at the relining of a service brake band for a Deere BR tractor.  Essentially, it is a flexible metal band about 1.25 inches wide that fits around an approx. 5.5 inch drum that turns from the transmission.  The lining I purchased is fairly stiff, and I was just trying to think how I was going to hold the lining in place, drill it, rivet it, etc., on the inside of the circle... trying to keep the lining square with the band, and then keeping the upper portion of the circle out of the way of the punch, etc.  A lot of good ideas have come forth, I think one of you mentioned using little bolts to help hold things in place, guess the best thing for me to do is to just start on it.  
Thanks again, John in Ferndale.  

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Amazon link for the tool.
https://www.amazon.com/MACs-Auto-Parts-28-68184-Riveting/dp/B01BSZCMGK

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:29 AM <deanvp at att.net> wrote:

Anyone interested in this rivet tool Amazon has this tool for $18 something with free freight.    Dean VPApache Junction, AZ From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden
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Subject: Re: [AT] Rivets and rivet countersink Yo might take a look at this   https://www.ecklers.com/brake-shoe-lining-riveting-tool-removes-and-installs-47-68184-1.htmlCecilOn 3/9/2020 9:05 AM, jdnut at aol.com wrote:
A bit of an update on this, since I think I started this thread.  Thanks for all that responded.    In looking at some of the antique car sites.... it looks to me like the Pliobond HT-30 adhesive available from McMaster for about $46 per quart is probably a reasonable choice to bond the linings to the brake shoes.  The drawback is that it needs to be cured for 30 minutes at 300 degrees.  Given that there are places where it can't be sent... I suspect there are fumes involved, thus not for home kitchen use.   Some of the car people mentioned using JB Weld, .... but due to the lower melting point compared to the Pliobond, most of the people thought it was a safety hazard in cars.  Supposedly, the JB Weld can stand 500 degrees F, with short transients to 600 degrees.  In my tractor usage, it is not like I am using my brakes down a long steep highway hill.   I have been doing some removal of brakes from part of my herd, and I have quite a bit of brake lining work ahead.  For the most part, I am planning on doing the combination of adhesive (probably JB Weld) and rivets.  For the linings that I have to drill and countersink the holes, I followed the advice of one of the respondents, and purchased a set of brad point bits from HF, along with some of the little circular stops that can be put on the bits.  I need to file the cutters on the outside of the bits flat with the rest of the bit, but overall I felt pretty good about the HF purchase.  McMaster also looks to be a decent place to buy rivets.  I figure the adhesive will help hold things in place better than vice grips when doing the drilling and countersinking.  I pretty much work by myself, this is a job that another pair of hands might be useful. If I have a measure of success, I will send along some pictures. Thanks again, take care, John Maxwell, Ferndale CA    

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Subject: Re: [AT] Rivets and rivet countersinkI Googled brake shoe adhesive and got a boat load of stuff. I suspect that a lot of auto parts places have it on hand, especially someplace like NAPA stock it or can at least order it. One site for Raybestos says it has it in quart cans. A combination of adhesive and rivets would probably be a good move.  . On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:57 AM James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com> wrote:
I had a contact who had retired from the former Detroit axle facility of chrysler. He made the point that that facility had an extremely wide range of manufacturing processes, including bonding brake linings to shoes.  

Cecil Bearden AT List member, Oklahoma farmer, and Professional Engineer (crbearden at copper.net); Just an afterthought.  Most brake shoes are bonded.  A heat curing glue is used to glue the shoe to the lining.  If you can find the glue the rivets would hold the lining on until the glue would set.  I have a brake shoe oven, bought long ago at a Chrysler dealership that started out as a blacksmith shop in the late 1800's.  However, the glue can was empty and no label.

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