[AT] Cub - Update
John Hall
jtchall at nc.rr.com
Sat Jul 11 04:44:32 PDT 2020
I think Clinton is where I ordered some parts from last year. For
giggles I just checked the CaseIH website. Returned 10 dealers "near
me". I'm guessing it would be 4 hours to Dillon SC--thats one of the
locations. Closest is Wilson, with traffic thats 2+ hours one way.
Clapp is not even on teh list, thats over an hour away. Needless to say
UPS is how I get parts.
Deere is 15 minutes away.....
John
On 7/11/2020 12:20 AM, Al Jones wrote:
> John while I prefer independent dealers, it does appear that the whole
> Quality/East Coast Equipment, then Quality and East Coast merger, has
> been a good thing. Parts support is wonderful and even though we are
> super-small timers they have delivered parts to the house for us.
> They built a new store in Wallace, which is only 15-20 minutes away
> from the farm. It looks like on the other hand CNH has anointed B&S to
> be the caseIH dealer in NC, closest store is Wilson and I hear if you
> want anything for a Super A-140 you better have a part number. I
> don't think CNH really cares much about having a presence in NC.
> Aycock in Goldsboro is now all NH but can still get caseIH parts, and
> there's still Clinton Truck & Tractor. I will give them what little
> business I do for as long as they're around.
>
> Al
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 4:44 PM John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com
> <mailto:jtchall at nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>
> Quality is wonderful to deal with, get parts really fast usually.
>
> IH on the other hand, they are closing up dealers left and right,
> I can't drive to one within 2 hours. Last time I went searching
> for dealers, CaseIH website only had a few in the entire state.
>
> Deere WANTS the state of NC, CaseIH has given it to them.
>
> John Hall
>
>
> On 7/9/2020 11:52 PM, Al Jones wrote:
>> There are basically two JD dealers in NC--Quality Equipment and
>> James River Equipment. I couldn't tell you how many stores
>> Quality has, but it's a lot. James River is in VA but they have a
>> few stores in the piedmont of NC. I think there is one
>> privately/family owned JD dealer in the state, Gay Implement in
>> Seaboard, NC.
>>
>> caseIH/CNH has done something similar, but compared to JD it's
>> like they're not even trying. We now have two Dealers in NC--one
>> privately/family owned (Clinton Truck & Tractor) and then another
>> dealer with multiple stores but nowhere as many as JD. CNH made
>> two of the best dealers in NC give up their contracts(Clapp Bros.
>> in Siler City and Mills in Kinston--the dealer I frequented)
>> because they weren't "Big" enough. In Mills' case I expect many
>> of their loyal customers to go green.
>>
>> Al
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 3:06 PM Mark Johnson
>> <markjohnson100 at centurylink.net
>> <mailto:markjohnson100 at centurylink.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Where Deere & Co. lost me has nothing to do with antique
>> tractors at all, but rather with their service and
>> maintenance policy for today's highly software-driven ag
>> machinery. They have effectively put a 'No User-Serviceable
>> Parts Inside. Warranty void if seal is broken' sign on their
>> tractors, and with the destruction of the network of small
>> local (some would say mom-and-pop) dealers, a simple failure
>> can be a multi-day adventure in high-tech repairs. I'm not
>> sure if it is true for the whole country, but this policy has
>> been upheld by courts in California.
>>
>> One of my sources works for one of those now-former JD
>> dealers. Deere offered to buy back their inventory, with a
>> one-time deal, and told them that they didn't *have* to sell
>> everything back (tractors, implements, and parts) but that
>> they would get no factory support for anything they sold
>> after the cutoff date. The 'word on the street' is that Deere
>> & Co. wants to have regional dealers with at least 6 outlets,
>> and that more than that is even better. At the same time they
>> got bought out, the big regional dealer in Missouri
>> (Sydenstricker) merged with Nobbe...the combined dealership
>> has locations in 26 towns in Missouri and Illinois. It's
>> virtually impossible to avoid them in central to
>> north/eastern MO and southwestern IL. [That said, I've never
>> tried to deal with them myself...]
>>
>> Mark J
>> Columbia, MO
>>
>>
>> On 7/9/2020 1:44 PM, deanvp at att.net <mailto:deanvp at att.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Part of the problems were related to the x60 series of
>>> tractors in the late 50’ which allowed JD to capture the
>>> lead in # of tractors produced but that was just one of many
>>> mistakes that I/H made and they were in such a weakened
>>> position by the time the 80’s farm crisis arrived they could
>>> not ride it out…., alone. It is a whole series of mistakes.
>>> There is a book written by a woman that exposes these
>>> mistakes by the name of Barbara Marsh titled: A Corporate
>>> Tragedy: The Agony of International Harvester Company. Worth
>>> reading.
>>>
>>> I think it would be unwise to think that JD only overtook
>>> I/H in total Farm Equipment Sales because I/H made some
>>> mistakes. JD made a few mistakes along the way as well. But
>>> they made some really good decisions too. The JD New
>>> Generation tractors announced in the fall of 1960 were one
>>> of many good decisions JD made to become the power house
>>> they are today. I have no experience on comparing how good a
>>> JD Tractor vs a Case I/H tractor is today so I make no
>>> judgments on that.
>>>
>>> Dean VP
>>>
>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>
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>>> *Howard Pletcher
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2020 4:13 PM
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Cub - Update
>>>
>>> Sounds like you think the downfall stemmed from the tractor
>>> problems. Tractors were about 40% of the company and
>>> couldn’t have saved the company even if there were no
>>> problems. The real mismanagement was in the financial area
>>> going back as far as the 20s & 30s.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:37 PM Brian VanDragt
>>> <bvandragt at comcast.net <mailto:bvandragt at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> IH has had plenty of time to catch up, but they just can't.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Howard
>>>
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