[AT] Cub - Update
Mike M
meulenms at gmx.com
Sat Jul 11 14:53:10 PDT 2020
I've never understood why people drive for hours to to pick up parts
that can be shipped, unless needed immediately. What a waste of time an
fuel.
Mike M
On 7/11/2020 7:44 AM, John Hall wrote:
> I think Clinton is where I ordered some parts from last year. For
> giggles I just checked the CaseIH website. Returned 10 dealers "near
> me". I'm guessing it would be 4 hours to Dillon SC--thats one of the
> locations. Closest is Wilson, with traffic thats 2+ hours one way.
> Clapp is not even on teh list, thats over an hour away. Needless to
> say UPS is how I get parts.
>
> Deere is 15 minutes away.....
>
> John
>
> On 7/11/2020 12:20 AM, Al Jones wrote:
>> John while I prefer independent dealers, it does appear that the
>> whole Quality/East Coast Equipment, then Quality and East Coast
>> merger, has been a good thing. Parts support is wonderful and even
>> though we are super-small timers they have delivered parts to the
>> house for us. They built a new store in Wallace, which is only 15-20
>> minutes away from the farm. It looks like on the other hand CNH has
>> anointed B&S to be the caseIH dealer in NC, closest store is Wilson
>> and I hear if you want anything for a Super A-140 you better have a
>> part number. I don't think CNH really cares much about having a
>> presence in NC. Aycock in Goldsboro is now all NH but can still
>> get caseIH parts, and there's still Clinton Truck & Tractor. I will
>> give them what little business I do for as long as they're around.
>>
>> Al
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 4:44 PM John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com
>> <mailto:jtchall at nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Quality is wonderful to deal with, get parts really fast usually.
>>
>> IH on the other hand, they are closing up dealers left and
>> right, I can't drive to one within 2 hours. Last time I went
>> searching for dealers, CaseIH website only had a few in the
>> entire state.
>>
>> Deere WANTS the state of NC, CaseIH has given it to them.
>>
>> John Hall
>>
>>
>> On 7/9/2020 11:52 PM, Al Jones wrote:
>>> There are basically two JD dealers in NC--Quality Equipment and
>>> James River Equipment. I couldn't tell you how many stores
>>> Quality has, but it's a lot. James River is in VA but they have
>>> a few stores in the piedmont of NC. I think there is one
>>> privately/family owned JD dealer in the state, Gay Implement in
>>> Seaboard, NC.
>>>
>>> caseIH/CNH has done something similar, but compared to JD it's
>>> like they're not even trying. We now have two Dealers in NC--one
>>> privately/family owned (Clinton Truck & Tractor) and then
>>> another dealer with multiple stores but nowhere as many as JD.
>>> CNH made two of the best dealers in NC give up their
>>> contracts(Clapp Bros. in Siler City and Mills in Kinston--the
>>> dealer I frequented) because they weren't "Big" enough. In
>>> Mills' case I expect many of their loyal customers to go green.
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 3:06 PM Mark Johnson
>>> <markjohnson100 at centurylink.net
>>> <mailto:markjohnson100 at centurylink.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Where Deere & Co. lost me has nothing to do with antique
>>> tractors at all, but rather with their service and
>>> maintenance policy for today's highly software-driven ag
>>> machinery. They have effectively put a 'No User-Serviceable
>>> Parts Inside. Warranty void if seal is broken' sign on their
>>> tractors, and with the destruction of the network of small
>>> local (some would say mom-and-pop) dealers, a simple failure
>>> can be a multi-day adventure in high-tech repairs. I'm not
>>> sure if it is true for the whole country, but this policy
>>> has been upheld by courts in California.
>>>
>>> One of my sources works for one of those now-former JD
>>> dealers. Deere offered to buy back their inventory, with a
>>> one-time deal, and told them that they didn't *have* to sell
>>> everything back (tractors, implements, and parts) but that
>>> they would get no factory support for anything they sold
>>> after the cutoff date. The 'word on the street' is that
>>> Deere & Co. wants to have regional dealers with at least 6
>>> outlets, and that more than that is even better. At the same
>>> time they got bought out, the big regional dealer in
>>> Missouri (Sydenstricker) merged with Nobbe...the combined
>>> dealership has locations in 26 towns in Missouri and
>>> Illinois. It's virtually impossible to avoid them in central
>>> to north/eastern MO and southwestern IL. [That said, I've
>>> never tried to deal with them myself...]
>>>
>>> Mark J
>>> Columbia, MO
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/9/2020 1:44 PM, deanvp at att.net <mailto:deanvp at att.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Part of the problems were related to the x60 series of
>>>> tractors in the late 50’ which allowed JD to capture the
>>>> lead in # of tractors produced but that was just one of
>>>> many mistakes that I/H made and they were in such a
>>>> weakened position by the time the 80’s farm crisis arrived
>>>> they could not ride it out…., alone. It is a whole series
>>>> of mistakes. There is a book written by a woman that
>>>> exposes these mistakes by the name of Barbara Marsh titled:
>>>> A Corporate Tragedy: The Agony of International Harvester
>>>> Company. Worth reading.
>>>>
>>>> I think it would be unwise to think that JD only overtook
>>>> I/H in total Farm Equipment Sales because I/H made some
>>>> mistakes. JD made a few mistakes along the way as well.
>>>> But they made some really good decisions too. The JD New
>>>> Generation tractors announced in the fall of 1960 were one
>>>> of many good decisions JD made to become the power house
>>>> they are today. I have no experience on comparing how good
>>>> a JD Tractor vs a Case I/H tractor is today so I make no
>>>> judgments on that.
>>>>
>>>> Dean VP
>>>>
>>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of
>>>> *Howard Pletcher
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2020 4:13 PM
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>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Cub - Update
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like you think the downfall stemmed from the tractor
>>>> problems. Tractors were about 40% of the company and
>>>> couldn’t have saved the company even if there were no
>>>> problems. The real mismanagement was in the financial area
>>>> going back as far as the 20s & 30s.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:37 PM Brian VanDragt
>>>> <bvandragt at comcast.net <mailto:bvandragt at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> IH has had plenty of time to catch up, but they just can't.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
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>>>> Howard
>>>>
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