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I think Clinton is where I ordered some parts from last year. For
giggles I just checked the CaseIH website. Returned 10 dealers "near
me". I'm guessing it would be 4 hours to Dillon SC--thats one of
the locations. Closest is Wilson, with traffic thats 2+ hours one
way. Clapp is not even on teh list, thats over an hour away.
Needless to say UPS is how I get parts.<br>
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Deere is 15 minutes away.....<br>
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John<br>
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<div>John while I prefer independent dealers, it does appear
that the whole Quality/East Coast Equipment, then Quality and
East Coast merger, has been a good thing. Parts support is
wonderful and even though we are super-small timers they have
delivered parts to the house for us. They built a new store
in Wallace, which is only 15-20 minutes away from the farm.
It looks like on the other hand CNH has anointed B&S to be
the caseIH dealer in NC, closest store is Wilson and I hear if
you want anything for a Super A-140 you better have a part
number. I don't think CNH really cares much about having a
presence in NC. Aycock in Goldsboro is now all NH but can
still get caseIH parts, and there's still Clinton Truck &
Tractor. I will give them what little business I do for as
long as they're around.</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 4:44
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<div> Quality is wonderful to deal with, get parts really fast
usually.<br>
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IH on the other hand, they are closing up dealers left and
right, I can't drive to one within 2 hours. Last time I
went searching for dealers, CaseIH website only had a few in
the entire state.<br>
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Deere WANTS the state of NC, CaseIH has given it to them.<br>
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John Hall<br>
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<div>There are basically two JD dealers in NC--Quality
Equipment and James River Equipment. I couldn't tell
you how many stores Quality has, but it's a lot. James
River is in VA but they have a few stores in the
piedmont of NC. I think there is one privately/family
owned JD dealer in the state, Gay Implement in
Seaboard, NC.<br>
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<div>caseIH/CNH has done something similar, but compared
to JD it's like they're not even trying. We now have
two Dealers in NC--one privately/family owned (Clinton
Truck & Tractor) and then another dealer with
multiple stores but nowhere as many as JD. CNH made
two of the best dealers in NC give up their
contracts(Clapp Bros. in Siler City and Mills in
Kinston--the dealer I frequented) because they weren't
"Big" enough. In Mills' case I expect many of their
loyal customers to go green.</div>
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<div>Al</div>
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<p>Where Deere & Co. lost me has nothing to do
with antique tractors at all, but rather with
their service and maintenance policy for today's
highly software-driven ag machinery. They have
effectively put a 'No User-Serviceable Parts
Inside. Warranty void if seal is broken' sign on
their tractors, and with the destruction of the
network of small local (some would say
mom-and-pop) dealers, a simple failure can be a
multi-day adventure in high-tech repairs. I'm not
sure if it is true for the whole country, but this
policy has been upheld by courts in California.</p>
<p>One of my sources works for one of those
now-former JD dealers. Deere offered to buy back
their inventory, with a one-time deal, and told
them that they didn't *have* to sell everything
back (tractors, implements, and parts) but that
they would get no factory support for anything
they sold after the cutoff date. The 'word on the
street' is that Deere & Co. wants to have
regional dealers with at least 6 outlets, and that
more than that is even better. At the same time
they got bought out, the big regional dealer in
Missouri (Sydenstricker) merged with Nobbe...the
combined dealership has locations in 26 towns in
Missouri and Illinois. It's virtually impossible
to avoid them in central to north/eastern MO and
southwestern IL. [That said, I've never tried to
deal with them myself...]<br>
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Mark J<br>
Columbia, MO
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<div>On 7/9/2020 1:44 PM, <a
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<p class="MsoNormal">Part of the problems were
related to the x60 series of tractors in the
late 50’ which allowed JD to capture the lead
in # of tractors produced but that was just
one of many mistakes that I/H made and they
were in such a weakened position by the time
the 80’s farm crisis arrived they could not
ride it out…., alone. It is a whole series of
mistakes. There is a book written by a
woman that exposes these mistakes by the name
of Barbara Marsh titled: A Corporate Tragedy:
The Agony of International Harvester Company.
Worth reading.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think it would be unwise
to think that JD only overtook I/H in total
Farm Equipment Sales because I/H made some
mistakes. JD made a few mistakes along the
way as well. But they made some really good
decisions too. The JD New Generation tractors
announced in the fall of 1960 were one of many
good decisions JD made to become the power
house they are today. I have no experience on
comparing how good a JD Tractor vs a Case I/H
tractor is today so I make no judgments on
that. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sounds like you think
the downfall stemmed from the tractor
problems. Tractors were about 40% of the
company and couldn’t have saved the
company even if there were no problems.
The real mismanagement was in the
financial area going back as far as the
20s & 30s. </p>
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at 4:37 PM Brian VanDragt <<a
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plenty of time to catch up, but they
just can't.<br>
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