[AT] Cub - Update

[Al Jones]

John while I prefer independent dealers, it does appear that the whole
Quality/East Coast Equipment, then Quality and East Coast merger, has been
a good thing.  Parts support is wonderful and even though we are
super-small timers they have delivered parts to the house for us.  They
built a new store in Wallace, which is only 15-20 minutes away from the
farm.  It looks like on the other hand CNH has anointed B&S to be the
caseIH dealer in NC, closest store is Wilson and I hear if you want
anything for a Super A-140 you better have a part number.  I don't think
CNH really cares much about having a presence in NC.    Aycock in Goldsboro
is now all NH but can still get caseIH parts, and there's still Clinton
Truck & Tractor. I will give them what little business I do for as long as
they're around.

Al

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 4:44 PM John Hall <jtchall at nc.rr.com> wrote:

> Quality is wonderful to deal with, get parts really fast usually.
>
> IH on the other hand, they are closing up dealers left and right,  I can't
> drive to one within 2 hours. Last time I went searching for dealers, CaseIH
> website only had a few in the entire state.
>
> Deere WANTS the state of NC, CaseIH has given it to them.
>
> John Hall
>
>
> On 7/9/2020 11:52 PM, Al Jones wrote:
>
> There are basically two JD dealers in NC--Quality Equipment and James
> River Equipment.  I couldn't tell you how many stores Quality has, but it's
> a lot. James River is in VA but they have a few stores in the piedmont of
> NC.  I think there is one privately/family owned JD dealer in the state,
> Gay Implement in Seaboard, NC.
>
> caseIH/CNH has done something similar, but compared to JD it's like
> they're not even trying. We now have two Dealers in NC--one
> privately/family owned (Clinton Truck & Tractor) and then another dealer
> with multiple stores but nowhere as many as JD.  CNH made two of the best
> dealers in NC give up their contracts(Clapp Bros. in Siler City and Mills
> in Kinston--the dealer I frequented) because they weren't "Big" enough.  In
> Mills' case I expect many of their loyal customers to go green.
>
> Al
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 3:06 PM Mark Johnson <
> markjohnson100 at centurylink.net> wrote:
>
>> Where Deere & Co. lost me has nothing to do with antique tractors at all,
>> but rather with their service and maintenance policy for today's highly
>> software-driven ag machinery. They have effectively put a 'No
>> User-Serviceable Parts Inside. Warranty void if seal is broken' sign on
>> their tractors, and with the destruction of the network of small local
>> (some would say mom-and-pop) dealers, a simple failure can be a multi-day
>> adventure in high-tech repairs. I'm not sure if it is true for the whole
>> country, but this policy has been upheld by courts in California.
>>
>> One of my sources works for one of those now-former JD dealers. Deere
>> offered to buy back their inventory, with a one-time deal, and told them
>> that they didn't *have* to sell everything back (tractors, implements, and
>> parts) but that they would get no factory support for anything they sold
>> after the cutoff date. The 'word on the street' is that Deere & Co. wants
>> to have regional dealers with at least 6 outlets, and that more than that
>> is even better. At the same time they got bought out, the big regional
>> dealer in Missouri (Sydenstricker) merged with Nobbe...the combined
>> dealership has locations in 26 towns in Missouri and Illinois. It's
>> virtually impossible to avoid them in central to north/eastern MO and
>> southwestern IL. [That said, I've never tried to deal with them myself...]
>> Mark J
>> Columbia, MO
>>
>>
>> On 7/9/2020 1:44 PM, deanvp at att.net wrote:
>>
>> Part of the problems were related to the x60 series of tractors in the
>> late 50’ which allowed JD to capture the lead in # of tractors produced but
>> that was just one of many mistakes that I/H made and they were in such a
>> weakened position by the time the 80’s farm crisis arrived they could not
>> ride it out…., alone. It is a whole series of mistakes.    There is a book
>> written by a woman that exposes these mistakes by the name of Barbara Marsh
>> titled: A Corporate Tragedy: The Agony of International Harvester Company.
>> Worth reading.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it would be unwise to think that JD only overtook I/H in total
>> Farm Equipment Sales because I/H made some mistakes.  JD made a few
>> mistakes along the way as well. But they made some really good decisions
>> too. The JD New Generation tractors announced in the fall of 1960 were one
>> of many good decisions JD made to become the power house they are today. I
>> have no experience on comparing how good a JD Tractor vs a Case I/H tractor
>> is today so I make no judgments on that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dean VP
>>
>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> Sounds like you think the downfall stemmed from the tractor problems.
>> Tractors were about 40% of the company and couldn’t have saved the company
>> even if there were no problems.  The real mismanagement was in the
>> financial area going back as far as the 20s & 30s.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:37 PM Brian VanDragt <bvandragt at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> IH has had plenty of time to catch up, but they just can't.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> --
>>
>> Howard
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