[AT] Cub - Update

[John Hall]

Quality is wonderful to deal with, get parts really fast usually.

IH on the other hand, they are closing up dealers left and right,  I 
can't drive to one within 2 hours. Last time I went searching for 
dealers, CaseIH website only had a few in the entire state.

Deere WANTS the state of NC, CaseIH has given it to them.

John Hall


On 7/9/2020 11:52 PM, Al Jones wrote:
> There are basically two JD dealers in NC--Quality Equipment and James 
> River Equipment.  I couldn't tell you how many stores Quality has, but 
> it's a lot. James River is in VA but they have a few stores in the 
> piedmont of NC.  I think there is one privately/family owned JD dealer 
> in the state, Gay Implement in Seaboard, NC.
>
> caseIH/CNH has done something similar, but compared to JD it's like 
> they're not even trying. We now have two Dealers in NC--one 
> privately/family owned (Clinton Truck & Tractor) and then another 
> dealer with multiple stores but nowhere as many as JD.  CNH made two 
> of the best dealers in NC give up their contracts(Clapp Bros. in Siler 
> City and Mills in Kinston--the dealer I frequented) because they 
> weren't "Big" enough.  In Mills' case I expect many of their loyal 
> customers to go green.
>
> Al
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 3:06 PM Mark Johnson 
> <markjohnson100 at centurylink.net 
> <mailto:markjohnson100 at centurylink.net>> wrote:
>
>     Where Deere & Co. lost me has nothing to do with antique tractors
>     at all, but rather with their service and maintenance policy for
>     today's highly software-driven ag machinery. They have effectively
>     put a 'No User-Serviceable Parts Inside. Warranty void if seal is
>     broken' sign on their tractors, and with the destruction of the
>     network of small local (some would say mom-and-pop) dealers, a
>     simple failure can be a multi-day adventure in high-tech repairs.
>     I'm not sure if it is true for the whole country, but this policy
>     has been upheld by courts in California.
>
>     One of my sources works for one of those now-former JD dealers.
>     Deere offered to buy back their inventory, with a one-time deal,
>     and told them that they didn't *have* to sell everything back
>     (tractors, implements, and parts) but that they would get no
>     factory support for anything they sold after the cutoff date. The
>     'word on the street' is that Deere & Co. wants to have regional
>     dealers with at least 6 outlets, and that more than that is even
>     better. At the same time they got bought out, the big regional
>     dealer in Missouri (Sydenstricker) merged with Nobbe...the
>     combined dealership has locations in 26 towns in Missouri and
>     Illinois. It's virtually impossible to avoid them in central to
>     north/eastern MO and southwestern IL. [That said, I've never tried
>     to deal with them myself...]
>
>     Mark J
>     Columbia, MO
>
>
>     On 7/9/2020 1:44 PM, deanvp at att.net <mailto:deanvp at att.net> wrote:
>>
>>     Part of the problems were related to the x60 series of tractors
>>     in the late 50’ which allowed JD to capture the lead in # of
>>     tractors produced but that was just one of many mistakes that I/H
>>     made and they were in such a weakened position by the time the
>>     80’s farm crisis arrived they could not ride it out…., alone. It
>>     is a whole series of mistakes.    There is a book written by a
>>     woman that exposes these mistakes by the name of Barbara Marsh
>>     titled: A Corporate Tragedy: The Agony of International Harvester
>>     Company.  Worth reading.
>>
>>     I think it would be unwise to think that JD only overtook I/H in
>>     total Farm Equipment Sales because I/H made some mistakes.  JD
>>     made a few mistakes along the way as well. But they made some
>>     really good decisions too. The JD New Generation tractors
>>     announced in the fall of 1960 were one of many good decisions JD
>>     made to become the power house they are today. I have no
>>     experience on comparing how good a JD Tractor vs a Case I/H
>>     tractor is today so I make no judgments on that.
>>
>>     Dean VP
>>
>>     Snohomish, WA 98290
>>
>>     *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>     <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of
>>     *Howard Pletcher
>>     *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2020 4:13 PM
>>     *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>>     <at at lists.antique-tractor.com> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>     *Subject:* Re: [AT] Cub - Update
>>
>>     Sounds like you think the downfall stemmed from the tractor
>>     problems. Tractors were about 40% of the company and couldn’t
>>     have saved the company even if there were no problems.  The real
>>     mismanagement was in the financial area going back as far as the
>>     20s & 30s.
>>
>>     On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:37 PM Brian VanDragt
>>     <bvandragt at comcast.net <mailto:bvandragt at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>>         IH has had plenty of time to catch up, but they just can't.
>>
>>         Brian
>>
>>     -- 
>>
>>     Howard
>>
>>
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