<div dir="ltr"><div>John while I prefer independent dealers, it does appear that the whole Quality/East Coast Equipment, then Quality and East Coast merger, has been a good thing. Parts support is wonderful and even though we are super-small timers they have delivered parts to the house for us. They built a new store in Wallace, which is only 15-20 minutes away from the farm. It looks like on the other hand CNH has anointed B&S to be the caseIH dealer in NC, closest store is Wilson and I hear if you want anything for a Super A-140 you better have a part number. I don't think CNH really cares much about having a presence in NC. Aycock in Goldsboro is now all NH but can still get caseIH parts, and there's still Clinton Truck & Tractor. I will give them what little business I do for as long as they're around.</div><div><br></div><div>Al</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 4:44 PM John Hall <<a href="mailto:jtchall@nc.rr.com">jtchall@nc.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
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Quality is wonderful to deal with, get parts really fast usually.<br>
<br>
IH on the other hand, they are closing up dealers left and right, I
can't drive to one within 2 hours. Last time I went searching for
dealers, CaseIH website only had a few in the entire state.<br>
<br>
Deere WANTS the state of NC, CaseIH has given it to them.<br>
<br>
John Hall<br>
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<div>On 7/9/2020 11:52 PM, Al Jones wrote:<br>
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<div>There are basically two JD dealers in NC--Quality Equipment
and James River Equipment. I couldn't tell you how many
stores Quality has, but it's a lot. James River is in VA but
they have a few stores in the piedmont of NC. I think there
is one privately/family owned JD dealer in the state, Gay
Implement in Seaboard, NC.<br>
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<div>caseIH/CNH has done something similar, but compared to JD
it's like they're not even trying. We now have two Dealers in
NC--one privately/family owned (Clinton Truck & Tractor)
and then another dealer with multiple stores but nowhere as
many as JD. CNH made two of the best dealers in NC give up
their contracts(Clapp Bros. in Siler City and Mills in
Kinston--the dealer I frequented) because they weren't "Big"
enough. In Mills' case I expect many of their loyal customers
to go green.</div>
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<div>Al</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 3:06 PM
Mark Johnson <<a href="mailto:markjohnson100@centurylink.net" target="_blank">markjohnson100@centurylink.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p>Where Deere & Co. lost me has nothing to do with
antique tractors at all, but rather with their service and
maintenance policy for today's highly software-driven ag
machinery. They have effectively put a 'No
User-Serviceable Parts Inside. Warranty void if seal is
broken' sign on their tractors, and with the destruction
of the network of small local (some would say mom-and-pop)
dealers, a simple failure can be a multi-day adventure in
high-tech repairs. I'm not sure if it is true for the
whole country, but this policy has been upheld by courts
in California.</p>
<p>One of my sources works for one of those now-former JD
dealers. Deere offered to buy back their inventory, with a
one-time deal, and told them that they didn't *have* to
sell everything back (tractors, implements, and parts) but
that they would get no factory support for anything they
sold after the cutoff date. The 'word on the street' is
that Deere & Co. wants to have regional dealers with
at least 6 outlets, and that more than that is even
better. At the same time they got bought out, the big
regional dealer in Missouri (Sydenstricker) merged with
Nobbe...the combined dealership has locations in 26 towns
in Missouri and Illinois. It's virtually impossible to
avoid them in central to north/eastern MO and southwestern
IL. [That said, I've never tried to deal with them
myself...]<br>
</p>
Mark J<br>
Columbia, MO
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<div>On 7/9/2020 1:44 PM, <a href="mailto:deanvp@att.net" target="_blank">deanvp@att.net</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Part of the problems were related
to the x60 series of tractors in the late 50’ which
allowed JD to capture the lead in # of tractors
produced but that was just one of many mistakes that
I/H made and they were in such a weakened position by
the time the 80’s farm crisis arrived they could not
ride it out…., alone. It is a whole series of
mistakes. There is a book written by a woman that
exposes these mistakes by the name of Barbara Marsh
titled: A Corporate Tragedy: The Agony of
International Harvester Company. Worth reading.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I think it would be unwise to think
that JD only overtook I/H in total Farm Equipment
Sales because I/H made some mistakes. JD made a few
mistakes along the way as well. But they made some
really good decisions too. The JD New Generation
tractors announced in the fall of 1960 were one of
many good decisions JD made to become the power house
they are today. I have no experience on comparing how
good a JD Tractor vs a Case I/H tractor is today so I
make no judgments on that. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290</p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Howard Pletcher<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 8, 2020 4:13 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sounds like you think the
downfall stemmed from the tractor problems.
Tractors were about 40% of the company and
couldn’t have saved the company even if there were
no problems. The real mismanagement was in the
financial area going back as far as the 20s &
30s. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:37
PM Brian VanDragt <<a href="mailto:bvandragt@comcast.net" target="_blank">bvandragt@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">IH
has had plenty of time to catch up, but they
just can't.<br>
<br>
Brian</p>
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