[AT] [External] Re: OT — Tablet computers

Phil Auten pga2 at basicisp.net
Thu Apr 16 20:20:28 PDT 2020


Most new SSDs and other hard drives are SATA (Serial ATA) the 
replacement for IDE hard drives. I have laptops here with SATA and IDE 
drive connections. Same for desktops. I would jump on a $25 120Gb SSD. 
they are faster than a 7200 rpm hard drive and no moving parts. Way 
better than any hard drive I have ever had.

Phil in TX


On 4/16/2020 9:58 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
> Google will have my answer but I'm working right now and don't want to 
> waste time going down any rabbit holes.  My question is how the SSD's 
> connect.  USB?  If so,  do they need 2.0, 3.0?
>
> SO
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:40 AM Gunnells, Brad R 
> <brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu <mailto:brad-gunnells at uiowa.edu>> wrote:
>
>     An SSD will really breath new life into old hardware. Especially
>     laptops. Many laptop hard drives are 5400 RPM instead of 7200 like
>     most desktops. (or at least that's what I'd seen several years ago).
>
>     SSD drives have come down in price and a 120GB can be found for
>     under $30 and a 240GB for under $50.
>
>     So an SSD and linux OS can take what was a paper weight and make
>     it a fairly usable machine for most peoples use. It's what I call
>     a form of recycling. 🙂
>
>     Brad
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>     <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>> on behalf of
>     Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com>>
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>     <at at lists.antique-tractor.com <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>>
>     *Subject:* [External] Re: [AT] OT — Tablet computers
>     That sounds like a good plan, Charlie. You're another strong
>     member of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure. 
>     I haven't committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but
>     if I want to work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the
>     right approach.  120GB is a ton for my needs.  Mostly doing work
>     on the laptop, so data storage is on the work servers.  I don't
>     store a lot of data in any event... just looked at my iMac (home
>     use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB free, the majority being OS and
>     apps, not data.
>
>     Thanks again,
>     SO
>
>
>     On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs <oxygenfarm at gmail.com
>     <mailto:oxygenfarm at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS,
>         then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast!
>
>         On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>         Hi Bob:
>>
>>         I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php
>>
>>         I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks.
>>
>>         Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a
>>         bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/
>>
>>         I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm
>>         looking at Linux.  Some machines, not mine, will need you to
>>         F12 or something like that during initial startup in order to
>>         point to the thumb rather than the HD.
>>
>>         It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I
>>         eventually learned it was actually just loading an
>>         installable copy of the OS into RAM.  You can do what looks
>>         like work straight from there, but anything you do is lost on
>>         power-down.  I eventually decided to install and partition my
>>         HD for dual-boot. My HD has been wonky in the past but right
>>         now it seems to be fine and dandy and I don't even recall
>>         what the problems used to be; might not have been the HD at
>>         all.  As yet I haven't really customized the install much, so
>>         it will be no big deal to go back and start over,
>>         reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition.
>>
>>         SO
>>
>>         On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com
>>         <mailto:rbrooks at hvc.rr.com> <rbrooks at hvc.rr.com
>>         <mailto:rbrooks at hvc.rr.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             Steve
>>
>>             I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3?
>>
>>             Bob
>>
>>             Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>             On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler
>>>             <soffiler at gmail.com <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             
>>>             Go for it Bob!  I am now doing my level best to
>>>             work from home as much as possible, which is tough when
>>>             you're a CNC guy, they don't travel well ;-)  I am just
>>>             reorganizing work flow so all the paperwork comes home
>>>             with me and I'm only in the shop to be on the floor.  At
>>>             home my iMac becomes the portal to my Windowns
>>>             workstation at work, which runs Solidworks and the
>>>             management software.  It left me wanting a separate
>>>             screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing.  I
>>>             installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop
>>>             that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like
>>>             a charm.  Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was
>>>             productive with it the same day.
>>>
>>>             Steve O.
>>>
>>>             On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com
>>>             <mailto:rbrooks at hvc.rr.com> <rbrooks at hvc.rr.com
>>>             <mailto:rbrooks at hvc.rr.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 Mike
>>>
>>>                 I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage 
>>>                 We bought it for my daighter gor college and a new
>>>                 work one.  The older one is slso slow snd will not
>>>                 run a lot of the newer programs, excuse me “Apps”.
>>>                 Both ate WiFi only  the new one runs with no issues.
>>>                 The older one is slow and cluncky. That started with
>>>                 some of the layer firmware. Sort of like running
>>>                 windows 7
>>>
>>>                 All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2
>>>                 older laptops that the group has me convinced I
>>>                 should try linux on
>>>
>>>                 Bob
>>>
>>>                 Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>                 > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM,
>>>                 szabelski at wildblue.net
>>>                 <mailto:szabelski at wildblue.net> wrote:
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Mike,
>>>                 >
>>>                 > If your wife’s I-pad is seven years old, she
>>>                 doesn’t have the latest OS, which is why she’s
>>>                 probably running slow and getting all the ads. My
>>>                 wife and I both have newer I-pads, and we don’t have
>>>                 that issue. Our only issue is that we have to get
>>>                 our internet through a dish since we can’t get any
>>>                 cable out here.
>>>                 >
>>>                 > My wife’s older I-pad had the same issues before
>>>                 we up greased.
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Carl
>>>                 > ----- Original Message -----
>>>                 > From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com
>>>                 <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>>
>>>                 > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>                 <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>                 > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT)
>>>                 > Subject: Re: [AT] OT — Tablet computers
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up
>>>                 I-Pad, if they do offer
>>>                 > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account
>>>                 we can use. I'm not
>>>                 > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in
>>>                 college with Windows
>>>                 > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even
>>>                 though superior, would
>>>                 > not grant licensing for their operating system, so
>>>                 most software was
>>>                 > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple
>>>                 is a better product,
>>>                 > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The
>>>                 reason my wife's
>>>                 > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third
>>>                 party ad blocking
>>>                 > software for it. My windows machine is much faster
>>>                 due to the fact I can
>>>                 > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it,
>>>                 and rarely see an ad.
>>>                 > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the
>>>                 other day and had to
>>>                 > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the
>>>                 problem. Holy crap, if I
>>>                 > had to put up with that many ad's and popups
>>>                 everyday, I wouldn't use
>>>                 > the Internet.
>>>                 >
>>>                 > Thanks,
>>>                 > Mike M
>>>                 >
>>>                 >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>>                 >> First off:  great gift idea.   I’m sure she’ll
>>>                 appreciate it.
>>>                 >>
>>>                 >>  Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and
>>>                 their partners can’t
>>>                 >> undercut them by much. The few bucks you might
>>>                 save at Newegg may not
>>>                 >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty
>>>                 good. In addition if
>>>                 >> you buy from Apple I understand they take
>>>                 trade-ins. At least get some
>>>                 >> credit on your wife’s current iPad.
>>>                 >>
>>>                 >> Also get the model that is just “iPad“. There is
>>>                 an iPad Pro, iPad
>>>                 >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you
>>>                 need. 32 GB model
>>>                 >> should be plenty as well since she doesn’t use
>>>                 the camera.   Might
>>>                 >> want to double check her current usage tho to be
>>>                 sure.  She might
>>>                 >> also start using the camera when she sees how
>>>                 good the camera has gotten.
>>>                 >>
>>>                 >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the
>>>                 years. If she has any
>>>                 >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to
>>>                 check on getting an
>>>                 >> adapter.   I guess that can come after the
>>>                 unwrapping.
>>>                 >>
>>>                 >> As an aside:  I’ve been doing software for a
>>>                 living for a long time
>>>                 >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance
>>>                 to use Apple
>>>                 >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they’re
>>>                 really good products
>>>                 >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to
>>>                 support their
>>>                 >> customers, back their product and protect your
>>>                 privacy. Those are
>>>                 >> important things to me. Full disclosure:  I have
>>>                 a personal Mac and a
>>>                 >> work Mac.
>>>                 >>
>>>                 >> Good luck!
>>>                 >>
>>>                 >> Spencer
>>>                 >>
>>>                 >> Sent from my iPhone
>>>                 >>
>>>                 >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M
>>>                 <meulenms at gmx.com <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>> wrote:
>>>                 >>>
>>>                 >>>  So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that
>>>                 way. I have always
>>>                 >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer
>>>                 buck if I buy last
>>>                 >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need
>>>                 the absolute latest
>>>                 >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a
>>>                 feature that I'm not
>>>                 >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest
>>>                 processing speed, and
>>>                 >>> will give me the most bang for my buck?
>>>                 >>>
>>>                 >>> Thanks,
>>>                 >>> Mike M
>>>                 >>>
>>>                 >>>
>>>                 >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>>                 >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now
>>>                 I want an iPad!
>>>                 >>>>
>>>                 >>>> SO
>>>                 >>>>
>>>                 >>>>
>>>                 >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M
>>>                 <meulenms at gmx.com <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>
>>>                 >>>> <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com
>>>                 <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>>> wrote:
>>>                 >>>>
>>>                 >>>>    Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple
>>>                 refurbished and the Newegg site.
>>>                 >>>>
>>>                 >>>>    Mike M
>>>                 >>>>
>>>                 >>>>
>>>                 >>>>    On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote:
>>>                 >>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>                 >>>>>    Have you ever thought about trying Newegg?
>>>                 I don't know if
>>>                 >>>>    they sell
>>>                 >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story.
>>>                 >>>>>    Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One
>>>                 of my buddies is an
>>>                 >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually
>>>                 impaired, I thought
>>>                 >>>>    I'd be
>>>                 >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I
>>>                 can go buy a
>>>                 >>>>    computer
>>>                 >>>>> and set it up myself.
>>>                 >>>>>    Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it.
>>>                 Jump ahead to
>>>                 >>>>    December of
>>>                 >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in
>>>                 January. I thought
>>>                 >>>>    I would
>>>                 >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong.
>>>                 >>>>>    Since I am a power user, I knew a new
>>>                 computer was in order.
>>>                 >>>>    I needed
>>>                 >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the
>>>                 basics, but I host an
>>>                 >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events,
>>>                 do the books for my
>>>                 >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything
>>>                 I needed, the
>>>                 >>>>    thing was
>>>                 >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and
>>>                 bought the same exact
>>>                 >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it
>>>                 now. I would check on
>>>                 >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I
>>>                 would bet they
>>>                 >>>>    have it.
>>>                 >>>>>    Tractor note: I really need to get the
>>>                 Oliver 770 out and
>>>                 >>>>    ready to go
>>>                 >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and
>>>                 rainy to do so.
>>>                 >>>>>    Good Luck,
>>>                 >>>>>    Tyler Juranek
>>>                 >>>>>    IA
>>>                 >>>>>
>>>                 >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com
>>>                 <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>
>>>                 >>>>    <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com
>>>                 <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>>> wrote:
>>>                 >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is
>>>                 coming, I just hear
>>>                 >>>>    her complain
>>>                 >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one.
>>>                 I have a love/hate
>>>                 >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but
>>>                 man are they spendy.
>>>                 >>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>> Mike M
>>>                 >>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote:
>>>                 >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12” iPad. I
>>>                 thought it too
>>>                 >>>>    big and pricey
>>>                 >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing. Ever since
>>>                 she has spent
>>>                 >>>>    a good part of
>>>                 >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds
>>>                 of things. Even
>>>                 >>>>    lugged it along
>>>                 >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my
>>>                 advice) and had WiFi
>>>                 >>>>    on ship and
>>>                 >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip.
>>>                 >>>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden
>>>                 >>>>    <crbearden at copper.net
>>>                 <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>
>>>                 <mailto:crbearden at copper.net
>>>                 <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>>> wrote:
>>>                 >>>>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>>>> My experience after 40 years of marriage
>>>                 in August is just
>>>                 >>>>    pony up the
>>>                 >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and
>>>                 don't try to
>>>                 >>>>    influence her
>>>                 >>>>>>>> decision.  That way if the one she gets is
>>>                 obsolete or has
>>>                 >>>>    to be changed
>>>                 >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your
>>>                 fault.   Note I said
>>>                 >>>>>>>> Shouldn't.................
>>>                 >>>>>>>> Cecil
>>>                 >>>>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>>                 >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier
>>>                 might have specials
>>>                 >>>>    on tablets as
>>>                 >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal
>>>                 promotions. You
>>>                 >>>>    might want to look
>>>                 >>>>>>>>> into that.  I am with AT&T and I know I
>>>                 just heard of a
>>>                 >>>>    deal where if
>>>                 >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad
>>>                 was free or
>>>                 >>>>    real cheap.
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the
>>>                 deal comes out
>>>                 >>>>    just a few
>>>                 >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife’s
>>>                 iPhone...
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker
>>>                 >>>>    <claudekyker at gmail.com
>>>                 <mailto:claudekyker at gmail.com>
>>>                 <mailto:claudekyker at gmail.com
>>>                 <mailto:claudekyker at gmail.com>>>
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>> Something to be aware of is whether to
>>>                 get “WIFI only “
>>>                 >>>>    or get one
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data.
>>>                 WIFI only is good
>>>                 >>>>    when you have
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI,  cellular data can be
>>>                 used anywhere cel
>>>                 >>>>    signal is
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just
>>>                 making sure you
>>>                 >>>>    are aware.
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>> Claude
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M
>>>                 <meulenms at gmx.com <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>
>>>                 >>>>    <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com
>>>                 <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>>> wrote:
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>> Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it
>>>                 sounds like a
>>>                 >>>>    newer Apple is
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are
>>>                 Windows based
>>>                 >>>>    and sometimes
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well.
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote:
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices.
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are
>>>                 phones and so the
>>>                 >>>>    tablet
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite
>>>                 there feel. They
>>>                 >>>>    work, but there
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the
>>>                 specific
>>>                 >>>>    manufacturer supports
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have
>>>                 budget). Google
>>>                 >>>>    wants to push the
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at
>>>                 laptops and low
>>>                 >>>>    powered
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can
>>>                 work but might
>>>                 >>>>    be rough
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>> edges.
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the
>>>                 Microsoft surface
>>>                 >>>>    line, it again is
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay
>>>                 tablet when you
>>>                 >>>>    detach the
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a
>>>                 lot of the
>>>                 >>>>    hardware lacks
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look
>>>                 at it wrong. Pay
>>>                 >>>>    extra for
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand.
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even
>>>                 the enthusiasts
>>>                 >>>>    admit they are
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might
>>>                 actually change this
>>>                 >>>>    year, we will
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>> see...
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet
>>>                 most people with a
>>>                 >>>>    tablet get.
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there.
>>>                 >>>>>>>>>>>>
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