[AT] OT — Tablet computers

cgs oxygenfarm at gmail.com
Thu Apr 16 07:56:16 PDT 2020


You can buy a 120 GB SSD for about $25, a very good investment.

On 4/16/20 9:10 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
> That sounds like a good plan, Charlie.  You're another strong member 
> of the list of people that nudged me into Linux, for sure.  I haven't 
> committed to spending any money on this rig as yet, but if I want to 
> work around a questionable HD, an SSD sounds like the right approach.  
> 120GB is a ton for my needs.  Mostly doing work on the laptop, so data 
> storage is on the work servers.  I don't store a lot of data in any 
> event... just looked at my iMac (home use) and my 1TB drive has 850GB 
> free, the majority being OS and apps, not data.
>
> Thanks again,
> SO
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:24 AM cgs <oxygenfarm at gmail.com 
> <mailto:oxygenfarm at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     On all my machines I've installed a 120GB SSD for the Mint OS,
>     then used the original HD as backup and storage. Very fast!
>
>     On 4/16/20 6:52 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>     Hi Bob:
>>
>>     I started here: https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php
>>
>>     I chose "Mate" based on recommendations from ATIS folks.
>>
>>     Once I had the file downloaded, I used balenaEtcher to make a
>>     bootable thumb drive: https://www.balena.io/etcher/
>>
>>     I plugged said thumb drive into the laptop and bam, I'm looking
>>     at Linux.  Some machines, not mine, will need you to F12 or
>>     something like that during initial startup in order to point to
>>     the thumb rather than the HD.
>>
>>     It appears you're up and running off the thumb, but I eventually
>>     learned it was actually just loading an installable copy of the
>>     OS into RAM.  You can do what looks like work straight from
>>     there, but anything you do is lost on power-down.  I eventually
>>     decided to install and partition my HD for dual-boot.  My HD has
>>     been wonky in the past but right now it seems to be fine and
>>     dandy and I don't even recall what the problems used to be; might
>>     not have been the HD at all.  As yet I haven't really customized
>>     the install much, so it will be no big deal to go back and start
>>     over, reformatting the HD and dumping the XP partition.
>>
>>     SO
>>
>>     On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:11 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com
>>     <mailto:rbrooks at hvc.rr.com> <rbrooks at hvc.rr.com
>>     <mailto:rbrooks at hvc.rr.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Steve
>>
>>         I am going to try it. Where did you get Linux Mint 19.3?
>>
>>         Bob
>>
>>         Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>         On Apr 14, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Stephen Offiler
>>>         <soffiler at gmail.com <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         
>>>         Go for it Bob!  I am now doing my level best to work from
>>>         home as much as possible, which is tough when you're a CNC
>>>         guy, they don't travel well ;-)  I am just reorganizing work
>>>         flow so all the paperwork comes home with me and I'm only in
>>>         the shop to be on the floor.  At home my iMac becomes the
>>>         portal to my Windowns workstation at work, which runs
>>>         Solidworks and the management software.  It left me wanting
>>>         a separate screen for email, spreadsheets, word processing. 
>>>         I installed Linux Mint 19.3 Mate Edition on a Dell laptop
>>>         that was top of the line in 2008, and it works like
>>>         a charm.  Learning curve is minimal. I'd say I was
>>>         productive with it the same day.
>>>
>>>         Steve O.
>>>
>>>         On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 5:38 PM rbrooks at hvc.rr.com
>>>         <mailto:rbrooks at hvc.rr.com> <rbrooks at hvc.rr.com
>>>         <mailto:rbrooks at hvc.rr.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Mike
>>>
>>>             I have two ipads. One older one 2012 or 13 vintage  We
>>>             bought it for my daighter gor college and a new work
>>>             one.  The older one is slso slow snd will not run a lot
>>>             of the newer programs, excuse me “Apps”. Both ate WiFi
>>>             only  the new one runs with no issues. The older one is
>>>             slow and cluncky.  That started with some of the layer
>>>             firmware. Sort of like running windows 7
>>>
>>>             All the computers here are microsoft. Except for 2 older
>>>             laptops that the group has me convinced I should try
>>>             linux on
>>>
>>>             Bob
>>>
>>>             Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>             > On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:48 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net
>>>             <mailto:szabelski at wildblue.net> wrote:
>>>             >
>>>             > Mike,
>>>             >
>>>             > If your wife’s I-pad is seven years old, she doesn’t
>>>             have the latest OS, which is why she’s probably running
>>>             slow and getting all the ads. My wife and I both have
>>>             newer I-pads, and we don’t have that issue. Our only
>>>             issue is that we have to get our internet through a dish
>>>             since we can’t get any cable out here.
>>>             >
>>>             > My wife’s older I-pad had the same issues before we up
>>>             greased.
>>>             >
>>>             > Carl
>>>             > ----- Original Message -----
>>>             > From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>>
>>>             > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>             <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>             > Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT)
>>>             > Subject: Re: [AT] OT — Tablet computers
>>>             >
>>>             > Thanks Spencer, I will look for a straight up I-Pad,
>>>             if they do offer
>>>             > student discounts, my daughter has an .edu account we
>>>             can use. I'm not
>>>             > anti Apple per se, but I grew up on Microsoft in
>>>             college with Windows
>>>             > using version 3.1. As I understand it Apple, even
>>>             though superior, would
>>>             > not grant licensing for their operating system, so
>>>             most software was
>>>             > written for Windows. Deep down, I know that Apple is a
>>>             better product,
>>>             > but at times it doesn't play well with others. The
>>>             reason my wife's
>>>             > I-pad is so slow is that I cannot find any third party
>>>             ad blocking
>>>             > software for it. My windows machine is much faster due
>>>             to the fact I can
>>>             > run several anti ad ware blocking programs on it, and
>>>             rarely see an ad.
>>>             > I had to try and diagnose a computer problems the
>>>             other day and had to
>>>             > go back to IE9, to eliminate the browser as the
>>>             problem. Holy crap, if I
>>>             > had to put up with that many ad's and popups everyday,
>>>             I wouldn't use
>>>             > the Internet.
>>>             >
>>>             > Thanks,
>>>             > Mike M
>>>             >
>>>             >> On 4/14/2020 4:12 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>>             >> First off:  great gift idea.  I’m sure she’ll
>>>             appreciate it.
>>>             >>
>>>             >>  Apple keeps a really tight control on prices and
>>>             their partners can’t
>>>             >> undercut them by much.  The few bucks you might save
>>>             at Newegg may not
>>>             >> be worth it since Apple presale support is pretty
>>>             good. In addition if
>>>             >> you buy from Apple I understand they take trade-ins.
>>>             At least get some
>>>             >> credit on your wife’s current iPad.
>>>             >>
>>>             >> Also get the model that is just “iPad“. There is an
>>>             iPad Pro, iPad
>>>             >> Air, etc. Just the straight up iPad is what you need.
>>>             32 GB model
>>>             >> should be plenty as well since she doesn’t use the
>>>             camera.    Might
>>>             >> want to double check her current usage tho to be
>>>             sure.   She might
>>>             >> also start using the camera when she sees how good
>>>             the camera has gotten.
>>>             >>
>>>             >> Connectors have changed quite a bit over the years.
>>>             If she has any
>>>             >> devices she wants to plug-in you might need to check
>>>             on getting an
>>>             >> adapter.   I guess that can come after the unwrapping.
>>>             >>
>>>             >> As an aside:  I’ve been doing software for a living
>>>             for a long time
>>>             >> and I have never understood many folks reluctance to
>>>             use Apple
>>>             >> products. Sure, they are expensive. But they’re
>>>             really good products
>>>             >> and Apple is more likely than any other vendor to
>>>             support their
>>>             >> customers, back their product and protect your
>>>             privacy. Those are
>>>             >> important things to me. Full disclosure:  I have a
>>>             personal Mac and a
>>>             >> work Mac.
>>>             >>
>>>             >> Good luck!
>>>             >>
>>>             >> Spencer
>>>             >>
>>>             >> Sent from my iPhone
>>>             >>
>>>             >>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Mike M
>>>             <meulenms at gmx.com <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>> wrote:
>>>             >>>
>>>             >>>  So I'm an Apple newb, and prefer to stay that way.
>>>             I have always
>>>             >>> found that I get the most bang for my computer buck
>>>             if I buy last
>>>             >>> years latest and greatest, when the purist need the
>>>             absolute latest
>>>             >>> model. She doesn't use the camera, so that's a
>>>             feature that I'm not
>>>             >>> concerned about. What model has the fastest
>>>             processing speed, and
>>>             >>> will give me the most bang for my buck?
>>>             >>>
>>>             >>> Thanks,
>>>             >>> Mike M
>>>             >>>
>>>             >>>
>>>             >>> On 4/14/2020 12:44 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>>             >>>> I made the mistake of looking at Newegg..., now I
>>>             want an iPad!
>>>             >>>>
>>>             >>>> SO
>>>             >>>>
>>>             >>>>
>>>             >>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:24 PM Mike M
>>>             <meulenms at gmx.com <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>
>>>             >>>> <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com
>>>             <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>>> wrote:
>>>             >>>>
>>>             >>>>    Thanks guys, I'll check the Apple refurbished
>>>             and the Newegg site.
>>>             >>>>
>>>             >>>>    Mike M
>>>             >>>>
>>>             >>>>
>>>             >>>>    On 4/14/2020 1:25 AM, Tyler Juranek wrote:
>>>             >>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>             >>>>>    Have you ever thought about trying Newegg? I
>>>             don't know if
>>>             >>>>    they sell
>>>             >>>>> Apple products, but I'll tell you my story.
>>>             >>>>>    Back in 2015, I bought an HP probook. One of my
>>>             buddies is an
>>>             >>>>> assistive tech dealer. Since I am visually
>>>             impaired, I thought
>>>             >>>>    I'd be
>>>             >>>>> nice and give him some business, even though I can
>>>             go buy a
>>>             >>>>    computer
>>>             >>>>> and set it up myself.
>>>             >>>>>    Anyway, I used the livin' crap out of it. Jump
>>>             ahead to
>>>             >>>>    December of
>>>             >>>>> 2019. Windows 7 was about to go bye bye in
>>>             January. I thought
>>>             >>>>    I would
>>>             >>>>> just upgrade the one I had. Wrong.
>>>             >>>>>    Since I am a power user, I knew a new computer
>>>             was in order.
>>>             >>>>    I needed
>>>             >>>>> something powerful, as not only do I do the
>>>             basics, but I host an
>>>             >>>>> internet radio program, broadcast live events, do
>>>             the books for my
>>>             >>>>> business, etc. So I called HP. For everything I
>>>             needed, the
>>>             >>>>    thing was
>>>             >>>>> going to be 3 grand! I got on Newegg and bought
>>>             the same exact
>>>             >>>>> computer for $1100. I am very happy with it now. I
>>>             would check on
>>>             >>>>> Newegg for a tablet like your wife wants. I would
>>>             bet they
>>>             >>>>    have it.
>>>             >>>>>    Tractor note: I really need to get the Oliver
>>>             770 out and
>>>             >>>>    ready to go
>>>             >>>>> for the rides this summer, but its to cold and
>>>             rainy to do so.
>>>             >>>>>    Good Luck,
>>>             >>>>>    Tyler Juranek
>>>             >>>>>    IA
>>>             >>>>>
>>>             >>>>> On 4/13/20, Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com
>>>             <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>
>>>             >>>>    <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com
>>>             <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>>> wrote:
>>>             >>>>>> Note, my wife has no idea that this is coming, I
>>>             just hear
>>>             >>>>    her complain
>>>             >>>>>> about it enough to know she needs a new one. I
>>>             have a love/hate
>>>             >>>>>> relationship with Apple, yes they work, but man
>>>             are they spendy.
>>>             >>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>> Mike M
>>>             >>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>> On 4/13/2020 10:33 PM, Chuck Bealke wrote:
>>>             >>>>>>> Five years ago Shirlee bought a 12” iPad. I
>>>             thought it too
>>>             >>>>    big and pricey
>>>             >>>>>>> but withheld comment. Good thing.  Ever since
>>>             she has spent
>>>             >>>>    a good part of
>>>             >>>>>>> her day with it and loves it for all kinds of
>>>             things. Even
>>>             >>>>    lugged it along
>>>             >>>>>>> on a round the world trip (ignoring my advice)
>>>             and had WiFi
>>>             >>>>    on ship and
>>>             >>>>>>> hotels for most of trip.
>>>             >>>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Cecil Bearden
>>>             >>>>    <crbearden at copper.net
>>>             <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>
>>>             <mailto:crbearden at copper.net
>>>             <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>>> wrote:
>>>             >>>>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>>>> My experience after 40 years of marriage in
>>>             August is just
>>>             >>>>    pony up the
>>>             >>>>>>>> money to let her buy what she wants and don't
>>>             try to
>>>             >>>>    influence her
>>>             >>>>>>>> decision.  That way if the one she gets is
>>>             obsolete or has
>>>             >>>>    to be changed
>>>             >>>>>>>> in the next 6 months It shouldn't be your
>>>             fault.  Note I said
>>>             >>>>>>>> Shouldn't.................
>>>             >>>>>>>> Cecil
>>>             >>>>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 5:37 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>>             >>>>>>>>> Along the same lines your cell carrier might
>>>             have specials
>>>             >>>>    on tablets as
>>>             >>>>>>>>> part of phone and/or contract renewal
>>>             promotions. You
>>>             >>>>    might want to look
>>>             >>>>>>>>> into that.  I am with AT&T and I know I just
>>>             heard of a
>>>             >>>>    deal where if
>>>             >>>>>>>>> you buy an iPhone at your renewal the pad was
>>>             free or
>>>             >>>>    real cheap.
>>>             >>>>>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>>>>> Of course, as is usual with my luck, the deal
>>>             comes out
>>>             >>>>    just a few
>>>             >>>>>>>>> months after we traded/renews my wife’s iPhone...
>>>             >>>>>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>             >>>>>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Claude Kyker
>>>             >>>>    <claudekyker at gmail.com
>>>             <mailto:claudekyker at gmail.com>
>>>             <mailto:claudekyker at gmail.com
>>>             <mailto:claudekyker at gmail.com>>>
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>             >>>>>>>>>> Something to be aware of is whether to get
>>>             “WIFI only “
>>>             >>>>    or get one
>>>             >>>>>>>>>> that is capable of using cellular data. WIFI
>>>             only is good
>>>             >>>>    when you have
>>>             >>>>>>>>>> access to WIFI,  cellular data can be used
>>>             anywhere cel
>>>             >>>>    signal is
>>>             >>>>>>>>>> available. Not saying what you need, just
>>>             making sure you
>>>             >>>>    are aware.
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>>>>>> Claude
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Mike M
>>>             <meulenms at gmx.com <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>
>>>             >>>>    <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com
>>>             <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>>> wrote:
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>> Ugh, not what I wanted to hear, but it
>>>             sounds like a
>>>             >>>>    newer Apple is
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>> way to go. All their work computers are
>>>             Windows based
>>>             >>>>    and sometimes
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>> just don't play together well.
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>> Mike M
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2020 4:08 PM, Henry Miller wrote:
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>> There are not many choices.
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>> Google has decided that androids are phones
>>>             and so the
>>>             >>>>    tablet
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>> offerings have a bit of a not quite there
>>>             feel. They
>>>             >>>>    work, but there
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>> are rough edges depending on how the specific
>>>             >>>>    manufacturer supports
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>> it (Samsung might okay as they have
>>>             budget). Google
>>>             >>>>    wants to push the
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>> chrome platform but that is targeted at
>>>             laptops and low
>>>             >>>>    powered
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>> desktop and so again as a tablet it can
>>>             work but might
>>>             >>>>    be rough
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>> edges.
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>> I've heard good things about the Microsoft
>>>             surface
>>>             >>>>    line, it again is
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>> a laptop but reports are it is an okay
>>>             tablet when you
>>>             >>>>    detach the
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. Reports all agree though, a lot
>>>             of the
>>>             >>>>    hardware lacks
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and will break if you look at it
>>>             wrong. Pay
>>>             >>>>    extra for
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>> business class and get a good brand.
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also Linux tablets, but even the
>>>             enthusiasts
>>>             >>>>    admit they are
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>> not ready for real use. This might actually
>>>             change this
>>>             >>>>    year, we will
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>> see...
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why the iPad is the tablet most
>>>             people with a
>>>             >>>>    tablet get.
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing else is there.
>>>             >>>>>>>>>>>>
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