[AT] Now hour meters , I should have changed the subject
Mike M
meulenms at gmx.com
Mon Sep 16 15:02:05 PDT 2019
> Same here, Steve, I love my mower, so I won't feel like I'm cheating
> someone, I'll run this one into the ground. Speaking of zero turns, I
> know Charlie Hill ran into a heck of a deal on his, but he's been
> quiet lately. You out there Charlie?
>
> Mike M
>
>
> On 9/16/2019 4:51 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>> Mike M - that just happened to me yesterday! I've got a Gravely
>> zero-turn with Kawasaki V-twin that bent a pushrod at 306 hours
>> (known issue, easy-ish fix). It is sitting right now waiting for
>> parts to arrive. Yesterday, I was walking past and happened to look
>> down and saw 600 and something hours on the meter, which was odd but
>> didn't quite register until it clicked over another tenth digit while
>> I was watching. That happens once every 6 minutes, so I got real
>> lucky to see it. I guess the key got bumped somehow during
>> disassembly Now, all the service reminders are saying "CHG NOW".
>> I'm doing engine oil and air filter now anyway, but losing the
>> service reminder on the hydro units bugs me. It added 337 hours
>> sitting still (divide by 24 to see how long I've been waiting for
>> parts, and therefore how long the grass is getting!). Since I'm not
>> likely to ever sell this machine, I don't really care that much about
>> the fake hours.
>>
>> Steve O.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 4:09 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com
>> <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I have a Scag zero turn that I bought new, I put about 350 hours
>> on it over the course of several years. When I parked it this
>> last fall, I accidentally left the key on, so when I went to
>> start it this Spring I had 3500 hours on it. Fortunately my
>> daughter works at the dealer so I was able to buy a new one.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On 9/16/2019 2:42 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>> New tractors have hours embedded in the computer. Replacement
>>> computers are easily spotted by the metadata in the computer.
>>> So for approximately the last 10-15 years we have a reliable
>>> indicator of usage or computer replacement/tampering on most
>>> models.
>>>
>>> However, being able to obtain the equipment and software
>>> necessary to read the computer is still a sticking point and at
>>> the heart of the right to repair lawsuits going around. These
>>> lawsuits are extending to other equipment and devices. So
>>> farmers were actually at the forefront of this movement.
>>>
>>> Ok fine print for the following:
>>>
>>> This is not a political statement. I absolutely positively never
>>> endorse any presidential candidate publicly on this list nor
>>> should the following be construed as support for the candidates
>>> mentioned. I only add the following statements and link as a way
>>> to let y’all know that our frustrations with equipment are being
>>> heard by some. Ok enough with the fine print:
>>>
>>> Elizabeth Warren added support for the right to repair movement
>>> as one of her written policy planks - To my knowledge the only
>>> one but the movement should grow to the point candidates
>>> probably won’t be able to ignore it. Here’s Warren’s policy
>>> paper on agriculture in general but in that she specifically
>>> mentions right to repair:
>>>
>>> https://medium.com/@teamwarren/leveling-the-playing-field-for-americas-family-farmers-823d1994f067
>>>
>>>
>>> I am watching the right to repair movement closely.
>>>
>>> Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 16, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Al Jones <farmallsupera1 at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:farmallsupera1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No. If your tachometer goes bad, you get a new one with 0000.0
>>>> hours.
>>>>
>>>> Al
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 11:52 PM Cecil Bearden
>>>> <crbearden at copper.net <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Probably not, and the mileage on the title of an auto or
>>>> truck is
>>>> nothing that can be relied on... I used to be able to
>>>> tell by the wear
>>>> on floorboards, rust, paint scratches etc if a trucks
>>>> mileage was
>>>> right. Tractors are a different animal. Usually just
>>>> change the tires
>>>> and if repainted, change the hoses and belts, new seat and
>>>> cab interior
>>>> and it is a new tractor.
>>>>
>>>> Cecil
>>>>
>>>> On 9/15/2019 8:36 PM, Jack wrote:
>>>> > Tractors are not titled. Automobiles and trucks are. When
>>>> you sell an auto, you record the mileage at time of sale
>>>> and your signature. Is it even illegal to alter the hour
>>>> meter on a tractor?
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>> On Behalf Of
>>>> Cecil Bearden
>>>> > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2019 7:33 PM
>>>> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [AT] Statistics In Tractor Manufacturing Was
>>>> Bicycle Program
>>>> >
>>>> > The New Holland Money Pit is what it is because somewhere
>>>> in its history the hour meter was turned back. New tires
>>>> were installed and it was made to look like a 5 yr old
>>>> tractor with about 200 hrs per year.
>>>> > Cecil
>>>> >
>>>> > On 9/14/2019 10:26 AM, James Peck wrote:
>>>> >> Some years ago I did participate in an academic
>>>> Statistical Quality Control course. Much of the course
>>>> involved the Weibull Distribution. If I remember correctly,
>>>> the Weibull Curve predicted the lifespan of a manufactured
>>>> assembly such as a tractor. It appears to be a gift from
>>>> the mathematicians.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weibull_distribution
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The same distribution probably predicts that Cecil’s New
>>>> Holland money pit will continue to be so and will suffer an
>>>> early demise.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [Stephen Offiler] I never took a whole semester of
>>>> Statistics. Instead, we had a course called Engineering
>>>> Experimentation, which was heavy on experiment design and
>>>> statistical data analysis. That gave me a very good
>>>> appreciation for the practical application of statistics.
>>>> Out in the real world, on-the-job training programs in
>>>> quality control principles in manufacturing (Deming, Juran,
>>>> Lean Six Sigma) continued to solidify the practical
>>>> applications.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [Cecil Bearden] Steve: I nearly flunked statistics I
>>>> only passed because I was a graduating senior. However, I
>>>> did flunk Rocks & Clods 2124 and had to find another 4
>>>> hours to graduate. Then 35 years later I retire as a
>>>> Geotechnical engineer designing foundations. !!!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [Stephen Offiler] I'm not sure if that is an interesting
>>>> statistic, or simply predictable statistically. All you
>>>> just said is that a bell-curve distribution for 2-year
>>>> degrees overlaps a bell-curve distribution for 4-year degrees.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [ James Peck] The interesting statistic is that some
>>>> technical 2 year programs have higher starting incomes than
>>>> many 4 year degree programs. People who complete such a
>>>> program can later take a 2+2 program to get a four year
>>>> degree if they choose.
>>>> >>
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