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Same here, Steve, I love my mower, so I won't feel like I'm
cheating someone, I'll run this one into the ground. Speaking of
zero turns, I know Charlie Hill ran into a heck of a deal on his,
but he's been quiet lately. You out there Charlie?<br>
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Mike M<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Mike M - that just happened to me yesterday!
I've got a Gravely zero-turn with Kawasaki V-twin that bent
a pushrod at 306 hours (known issue, easy-ish fix). It is
sitting right now waiting for parts to arrive. Yesterday, I
was walking past and happened to look down and saw 600 and
something hours on the meter, which was odd but didn't quite
register until it clicked over another tenth digit while I
was watching. That happens once every 6 minutes, so I got
real lucky to see it. I guess the key got bumped somehow
during disassembly Now, all the service reminders are
saying "CHG NOW". I'm doing engine oil and air filter now
anyway, but losing the service reminder on the hydro units
bugs me. It added 337 hours sitting still (divide by 24 to
see how long I've been waiting for parts, and therefore how
long the grass is getting!). Since I'm not likely to ever
sell this machine, I don't really care that much about the
fake hours.
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at
4:09 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">meulenms@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> I have a Scag zero turn that I
bought new, I put about 350 hours on it over the course
of several years. When I parked it this last fall, I
accidentally left the key on, so when I went to start it
this Spring I had 3500 hours on it. Fortunately my
daughter works at the dealer so I was able to buy a new
one. <br>
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Mike M<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_7420150113575157276moz-cite-prefix">On
9/16/2019 2:42 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> New tractors have hours
embedded in the computer. Replacement computers are
easily spotted by the metadata in the computer. So
for approximately the last 10-15 years we have a
reliable indicator of usage or computer
replacement/tampering on most models.
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<div>However, being able to obtain the equipment and
software necessary to read the computer is still a
sticking point and at the heart of the right to
repair lawsuits going around. These lawsuits are
extending to other equipment and devices. So farmers
were actually at the forefront of this movement. </div>
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Ok fine print for the following:</div>
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<div><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">This
is not a political statement. </span>I
absolutely positively never endorse any presidential
candidate publicly on this list nor should the
following be construed as support for the
candidates mentioned. <span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">I
only add the following statements and link as a
way to let y’all know that our frustrations with
equipment are being heard by some. Ok enough with
the fine print:</span></div>
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<div>Elizabeth Warren added support for the right to
repair movement as one of her written policy planks
- T<span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">o my
knowledge the only one but the movement should
grow to the point candidates probably won’t be
able to ignore it. </span>Here’s Warren’s policy
paper on agriculture in general but in that she
specifically mentions right to repair:</div>
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<div>I am watching the right to repair movement
closely.</div>
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<div>Spencer</div>
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On Sep 16, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Al Jones <<a
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<div>No. If your tachometer goes bad, you get
a new one with 0000.0 hours. </div>
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<div>Al</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sun, Sep
15, 2019 at 11:52 PM Cecil Bearden <<a
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rgb(204,204,204)">Probably not, and the
mileage on the title of an auto or truck is
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nothing that can be relied on... I used to
be able to tell by the wear <br>
on floorboards, rust, paint scratches etc if
a trucks mileage was <br>
right. Tractors are a different animal.
Usually just change the tires <br>
and if repainted, change the hoses and
belts, new seat and cab interior <br>
and it is a new tractor.<br>
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Cecil<br>
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On 9/15/2019 8:36 PM, Jack wrote:<br>
> Tractors are not titled. Automobiles
and trucks are. When you sell an auto, you
record the mileage at time of sale and your
signature. Is it even illegal to alter the
hour meter on a tractor?<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: AT <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>
On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden<br>
> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2019 7:33
PM<br>
> To: <a
href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Statistics In Tractor
Manufacturing Was Bicycle Program<br>
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> The New Holland Money Pit is what it is
because somewhere in its history the hour
meter was turned back. New tires were
installed and it was made to look like a 5
yr old tractor with about 200 hrs per year.<br>
> Cecil<br>
><br>
> On 9/14/2019 10:26 AM, James Peck
wrote:<br>
>> Some years ago I did participate in
an academic Statistical Quality Control
course. Much of the course involved the
Weibull Distribution. If I remember
correctly, the Weibull Curve predicted the
lifespan of a manufactured assembly such as
a tractor. It appears to be a gift from the
mathematicians.<br>
>><br>
>> <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weibull_distribution"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
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>><br>
>> The same distribution probably
predicts that Cecil’s New Holland money pit
will continue to be so and will suffer an
early demise.<br>
>><br>
>> [Stephen Offiler] I never took a
whole semester of Statistics. Instead, we
had a course called Engineering
Experimentation, which was heavy on
experiment design and statistical data
analysis. That gave me a very good
appreciation for the practical application
of statistics. Out in the real world,
on-the-job training programs in quality
control principles in manufacturing (Deming,
Juran, Lean Six Sigma) continued to solidify
the practical applications.<br>
>><br>
>> [Cecil Bearden] Steve: I nearly
flunked statistics I only passed because I
was a graduating senior. However, I did
flunk Rocks & Clods 2124 and had to find
another 4 hours to graduate. Then 35 years
later I retire as a Geotechnical engineer
designing foundations. !!!<br>
>><br>
>> [Stephen Offiler] I'm not sure if
that is an interesting statistic, or simply
predictable statistically. All you just
said is that a bell-curve distribution for
2-year degrees overlaps a bell-curve
distribution for 4-year degrees.<br>
>><br>
>> [ James Peck] The interesting
statistic is that some technical 2 year
programs have higher starting incomes than
many 4 year degree programs. People who
complete such a program can later take a 2+2
program to get a four year degree if they
choose.<br>
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