[AT] Statistics In Tractor Manufacturing Was Bicycle Program
Mike M
meulenms at gmx.com
Mon Sep 16 14:59:09 PDT 2019
Same here, Steve, I love my mower, so I won't feel like I'm cheating
someone, I'll run this one into the ground. Speaking of zero turns, I
know Charlie Hill ran into a heck of a deal on his, but he's been quiet
lately. You out there Charlie?
Mike M
On 9/16/2019 4:51 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
> Mike M - that just happened to me yesterday! I've got a Gravely
> zero-turn with Kawasaki V-twin that bent a pushrod at 306 hours (known
> issue, easy-ish fix). It is sitting right now waiting for parts to
> arrive. Yesterday, I was walking past and happened to look down and
> saw 600 and something hours on the meter, which was odd but didn't
> quite register until it clicked over another tenth digit while I was
> watching. That happens once every 6 minutes, so I got real lucky to
> see it. I guess the key got bumped somehow during disassembly Now,
> all the service reminders are saying "CHG NOW". I'm doing engine
> oil and air filter now anyway, but losing the service reminder on the
> hydro units bugs me. It added 337 hours sitting still (divide by 24
> to see how long I've been waiting for parts, and therefore how long
> the grass is getting!). Since I'm not likely to ever sell this
> machine, I don't really care that much about the fake hours.
>
> Steve O.
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 4:09 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com
> <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>> wrote:
>
> I have a Scag zero turn that I bought new, I put about 350 hours
> on it over the course of several years. When I parked it this
> last fall, I accidentally left the key on, so when I went to start
> it this Spring I had 3500 hours on it. Fortunately my daughter
> works at the dealer so I was able to buy a new one.
>
> Mike M
>
> On 9/16/2019 2:42 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>> New tractors have hours embedded in the computer. Replacement
>> computers are easily spotted by the metadata in the computer.
>> So for approximately the last 10-15 years we have a reliable
>> indicator of usage or computer replacement/tampering on most models.
>>
>> However, being able to obtain the equipment and software
>> necessary to read the computer is still a sticking point and at
>> the heart of the right to repair lawsuits going around. These
>> lawsuits are extending to other equipment and devices. So farmers
>> were actually at the forefront of this movement.
>>
>> Ok fine print for the following:
>>
>> This is not a political statement. I absolutely positively never
>> endorse any presidential candidate publicly on this list nor
>> should the following be construed as support for the candidates
>> mentioned. I only add the following statements and link as a way
>> to let y’all know that our frustrations with equipment are being
>> heard by some. Ok enough with the fine print:
>>
>> Elizabeth Warren added support for the right to repair movement
>> as one of her written policy planks - To my knowledge the only
>> one but the movement should grow to the point candidates probably
>> won’t be able to ignore it. Here’s Warren’s policy paper on
>> agriculture in general but in that she specifically mentions
>> right to repair:
>>
>> https://medium.com/@teamwarren/leveling-the-playing-field-for-americas-family-farmers-823d1994f067
>>
>>
>> I am watching the right to repair movement closely.
>>
>> Spencer
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 16, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Al Jones <farmallsupera1 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:farmallsupera1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> No. If your tachometer goes bad, you get a new one with 0000.0
>>> hours.
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 11:52 PM Cecil Bearden
>>> <crbearden at copper.net <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Probably not, and the mileage on the title of an auto or
>>> truck is
>>> nothing that can be relied on... I used to be able to tell
>>> by the wear
>>> on floorboards, rust, paint scratches etc if a trucks
>>> mileage was
>>> right. Tractors are a different animal. Usually just change
>>> the tires
>>> and if repainted, change the hoses and belts, new seat and
>>> cab interior
>>> and it is a new tractor.
>>>
>>> Cecil
>>>
>>> On 9/15/2019 8:36 PM, Jack wrote:
>>> > Tractors are not titled. Automobiles and trucks are. When
>>> you sell an auto, you record the mileage at time of sale and
>>> your signature. Is it even illegal to alter the hour meter
>>> on a tractor?
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>> On Behalf Of
>>> Cecil Bearden
>>> > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2019 7:33 PM
>>> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: [AT] Statistics In Tractor Manufacturing Was
>>> Bicycle Program
>>> >
>>> > The New Holland Money Pit is what it is because somewhere
>>> in its history the hour meter was turned back. New tires
>>> were installed and it was made to look like a 5 yr old
>>> tractor with about 200 hrs per year.
>>> > Cecil
>>> >
>>> > On 9/14/2019 10:26 AM, James Peck wrote:
>>> >> Some years ago I did participate in an academic
>>> Statistical Quality Control course. Much of the course
>>> involved the Weibull Distribution. If I remember correctly,
>>> the Weibull Curve predicted the lifespan of a manufactured
>>> assembly such as a tractor. It appears to be a gift from
>>> the mathematicians.
>>> >>
>>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weibull_distribution
>>> >>
>>> >> The same distribution probably predicts that Cecil’s New
>>> Holland money pit will continue to be so and will suffer an
>>> early demise.
>>> >>
>>> >> [Stephen Offiler] I never took a whole semester of
>>> Statistics. Instead, we had a course called Engineering
>>> Experimentation, which was heavy on experiment design and
>>> statistical data analysis. That gave me a very good
>>> appreciation for the practical application of statistics.
>>> Out in the real world, on-the-job training programs in
>>> quality control principles in manufacturing (Deming, Juran,
>>> Lean Six Sigma) continued to solidify the practical
>>> applications.
>>> >>
>>> >> [Cecil Bearden] Steve: I nearly flunked statistics I only
>>> passed because I was a graduating senior. However, I did
>>> flunk Rocks & Clods 2124 and had to find another 4 hours to
>>> graduate. Then 35 years later I retire as a Geotechnical
>>> engineer designing foundations. !!!
>>> >>
>>> >> [Stephen Offiler] I'm not sure if that is an interesting
>>> statistic, or simply predictable statistically. All you
>>> just said is that a bell-curve distribution for 2-year
>>> degrees overlaps a bell-curve distribution for 4-year degrees.
>>> >>
>>> >> [ James Peck] The interesting statistic is that some
>>> technical 2 year programs have higher starting incomes than
>>> many 4 year degree programs. People who complete such a
>>> program can later take a 2+2 program to get a four year
>>> degree if they choose.
>>> >>
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