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Same here, Steve, I love my mower, so I won't feel like I'm cheating
someone, I'll run this one into the ground. Speaking of zero turns,
I know Charlie Hill ran into a heck of a deal on his, but he's been
quiet lately. You out there Charlie?<br>
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Mike M<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Mike M - that just happened to me yesterday!
I've got a Gravely zero-turn with Kawasaki V-twin that bent a
pushrod at 306 hours (known issue, easy-ish fix). It is
sitting right now waiting for parts to arrive. Yesterday, I
was walking past and happened to look down and saw 600 and
something hours on the meter, which was odd but didn't quite
register until it clicked over another tenth digit while I was
watching. That happens once every 6 minutes, so I got real
lucky to see it. I guess the key got bumped somehow during
disassembly Now, all the service reminders are saying "CHG
NOW". I'm doing engine oil and air filter now anyway, but
losing the service reminder on the hydro units bugs me. It
added 337 hours sitting still (divide by 24 to see how long
I've been waiting for parts, and therefore how long the grass
is getting!). Since I'm not likely to ever sell this machine,
I don't really care that much about the fake hours.
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 4:09
PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">meulenms@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> I have a Scag zero turn that I
bought new, I put about 350 hours on it over the course of
several years. When I parked it this last fall, I
accidentally left the key on, so when I went to start it
this Spring I had 3500 hours on it. Fortunately my
daughter works at the dealer so I was able to buy a new
one. <br>
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Mike M<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_7420150113575157276moz-cite-prefix">On
9/16/2019 2:42 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> New tractors have hours embedded
in the computer. Replacement computers are easily
spotted by the metadata in the computer. So for
approximately the last 10-15 years we have a reliable
indicator of usage or computer replacement/tampering on
most models.
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<div>However, being able to obtain the equipment and
software necessary to read the computer is still a
sticking point and at the heart of the right to repair
lawsuits going around. These lawsuits are extending
to other equipment and devices. So farmers were
actually at the forefront of this movement. </div>
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Ok fine print for the following:</div>
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<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">This
is not a political statement. </span>I absolutely
positively never endorse any presidential candidate
publicly on this list nor should the following be
construed as support for the candidates mentioned. <span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">I only
add the following statements and link as a way to
let y’all know that our frustrations with equipment
are being heard by some. Ok enough with the fine
print:</span></div>
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<div>Elizabeth Warren added support for the right to
repair movement as one of her written policy planks -
T<span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">o
my knowledge the only one but the movement should
grow to the point candidates probably won’t be able
to ignore it. </span>Here’s Warren’s policy paper
on agriculture in general but in that she specifically
mentions right to repair:</div>
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<div>I am watching the right to repair movement closely.</div>
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On Sep 16, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Al Jones <<a
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<div>No. If your tachometer goes bad, you get a
new one with 0000.0 hours. </div>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sun, Sep
15, 2019 at 11:52 PM Cecil Bearden <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">crbearden@copper.net</a>>
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rgb(204,204,204)">Probably not, and the
mileage on the title of an auto or truck is <br>
nothing that can be relied on... I used to
be able to tell by the wear <br>
on floorboards, rust, paint scratches etc if a
trucks mileage was <br>
right. Tractors are a different animal.
Usually just change the tires <br>
and if repainted, change the hoses and belts,
new seat and cab interior <br>
and it is a new tractor.<br>
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Cecil<br>
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On 9/15/2019 8:36 PM, Jack wrote:<br>
> Tractors are not titled. Automobiles and
trucks are. When you sell an auto, you record
the mileage at time of sale and your
signature. Is it even illegal to alter the
hour meter on a tractor?<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>
On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden<br>
> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2019 7:33
PM<br>
> To: <a
href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
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> Subject: Re: [AT] Statistics In Tractor
Manufacturing Was Bicycle Program<br>
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> The New Holland Money Pit is what it is
because somewhere in its history the hour
meter was turned back. New tires were
installed and it was made to look like a 5 yr
old tractor with about 200 hrs per year.<br>
> Cecil<br>
><br>
> On 9/14/2019 10:26 AM, James Peck wrote:<br>
>> Some years ago I did participate in
an academic Statistical Quality Control
course. Much of the course involved the
Weibull Distribution. If I remember correctly,
the Weibull Curve predicted the lifespan of a
manufactured assembly such as a tractor. It
appears to be a gift from the mathematicians.<br>
>><br>
>> <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weibull_distribution"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
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>><br>
>> The same distribution probably
predicts that Cecil’s New Holland money pit
will continue to be so and will suffer an
early demise.<br>
>><br>
>> [Stephen Offiler] I never took a
whole semester of Statistics. Instead, we had
a course called Engineering Experimentation,
which was heavy on experiment design and
statistical data analysis. That gave me a
very good appreciation for the practical
application of statistics. Out in the real
world, on-the-job training programs in quality
control principles in manufacturing (Deming,
Juran, Lean Six Sigma) continued to solidify
the practical applications.<br>
>><br>
>> [Cecil Bearden] Steve: I nearly
flunked statistics I only passed because I was
a graduating senior. However, I did flunk
Rocks & Clods 2124 and had to find another
4 hours to graduate. Then 35 years later I
retire as a Geotechnical engineer designing
foundations. !!!<br>
>><br>
>> [Stephen Offiler] I'm not sure if
that is an interesting statistic, or simply
predictable statistically. All you just said
is that a bell-curve distribution for 2-year
degrees overlaps a bell-curve distribution for
4-year degrees.<br>
>><br>
>> [ James Peck] The interesting
statistic is that some technical 2 year
programs have higher starting incomes than
many 4 year degree programs. People who
complete such a program can later take a 2+2
program to get a four year degree if they
choose.<br>
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