[AT] 1970's farm equipment

Tue Oct 22 13:00:51 PDT 2019

RIP to those list members Mike mentions, and I'll add George Willer, Cecil
Monson, and Mike Sloane.  Evil Dave's last name is Rotigel.   I also agree
that a little email (courtesy? ettiquette?) goes a long way.  Changing
subject lines... and that goes both ways.  I see existing, continuous
discussions where somehow the subject line should not get changed but does,
so suddenly it looks like multiple separate discussions.  And the other
side of the coin, where the discussion does change but the subject line
does not.

SO

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:

> I'll just say this, and that is because I am a guilty party, when it comes
> to OT posts. Their is a wealth of knowledgeable people on this list, I've
> been on it long enough to watch them go from actively restoring old
> tractors, to passing away; names like Neil Yerigan, HL Staples, Evil
> Dave(sorry I can't recall his last name). I've seen this list morph over
> the years from when everyone was restoring old tractors to a kind of
> sitting around the bonfire BS's list, and Spencer has been gracious enough
> to allow this. Quite honestly if this was a highly moderated list, that was
> strictly bound by old tractors you'd be lucky to see one email a month. So
> Moe if you have a question or a problem, please ask away, it's sure to get
> answered. I do agree with you one point, some of the highly technical
> engineering stuff, that is over 99% of the list members list heads, I
> wouldn't mind see going. But I have a quick delete key finger to solve that
> issue. I just wish that posters would change the Subject line to fit the
> post as it usually remains unchanged even though the topic has changed
> drastically.
>
> Mike M
>
> On 10/22/2019 10:36 AM, Moe Fretz wrote:
>
> Tractor related?????????
>
> Some how we've gone from Antique Tractors.
> To discussing (bragging) about all
> the engineering courses we've taken or should have.
> To offshore manufacturing quality.
> To the help line accents.
> And now we are into computer IT stuff we know about.
> Could have, would have installed. up grading, what have you.
>
> Not much tractor related stuff in the last few days.
>
> My 1936 John Deere AO qualifies as an antique.
> It does have any software needing to be upgraded.
> No help line available or needed.
> And you don't need to be an engineer to figure how it works.
>
>
>
> $-------&
> Moe F.
>
>
> Ontario, Canada
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:55 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam <
> tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> In the 70s we all had to take corporate value engineering classes. "How
>> to engineer all the value out." Some people did not have enough sense it
>> ignore the BS.
>>
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>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 7:08 AM, Thomas Mehrkam
>> <tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Windows 10 convinced me it was time to retire.
>>
>> I developed software mainly for Unix and Linux with some Vax VMS?? DX10
>> one of T.Is systems and many real time OS for Motorola 68000, TI 9900,
>> Power PC etc.?? Much of the early work in machine language. With some
>> Windoze thrown in. XP and 7 was ok.?? Almost great compared to XP.
>>
>> XP convinced me it was time to retire. The worse of Microsoft's crap
>> OS's. Even worse than writing assembly and Cobal for Univac 1108
>> systems. :-{?? We built a Seismic Acquisition system that could record
>> data from 40,000 stations at a 2MS sample rate.?? XP brought that to a
>> stand still. The network stack sucked we went down to maybe 5,000
>> stations. :-{
>>
>>
>> On 10/21/2019 11:45 AM, Phil Auten wrote:
>> > I usually need to write stuff like that down, and I am/was a
>> > computer/IT tech. Now, where'd I put my pencil?
>> >
>> > I've been out of the computer biz,except for fixing my own, since 2011
>> > and I am amazed how much it has changed since then. I have two working
>> > computers, both laptops. The one I am on now is the newest and it is
>> > running Vista (yuck). The other one is about a 2006 model and runs XP.
>> > That one I need to redo and load Linux so it will keep up.
>> >
>> > Phil in TX
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10/20/2019 11:39 PM, deanvp at att.net wrote:
>> >> James,
>> >>
>> >> ?? Every time I go shopping at the local Costco I marvel at how many
>> >> foreigners we have here in WA?? I'm sure driven by the High Tech
>> >> industries
>> >> like Microsoft and Amazon. It used to be the Oriental's that were
>> >> predominate. Now it seems to be East Indians. I'm sure much of our
>> >> technical
>> >> knowledge is eventually ending up back in India.?? However, that
>> >> doesn't seem
>> >> to apply to those who work in the technical support groups we call
>> >> for help.
>> >> I have completely given up on calling any kind of help line for
>> >> anything.
>> >> First because they really don't know very much and secondly their
>> accent
>> >> combined with my loss of hearing makes understanding them almost
>> >> impossible.
>> >> I will work Google search until I find the answer I'm looking for. I
>> >> just
>> >> went through that recently.?? Some time in the past I changed from
>> double
>> >> click to single click file opening on my mouse. Long enough ago I had
>> >> forgotten how I did it.?? For me the obvious place to look was on the
>> >> setup
>> >> of the mouse. Wrong.?? I put up with the change far too long and
>> >> finally I
>> >> had enough.?? But couldn't remember how to fix it. Google came to the
>> >> rescue.
>> >> In Win 10. one has to get into File Explorer, view, options, change
>> >> options
>> >> to get to that setting.?? How in the hell I found that the first time
>> is
>> >> beyond me?? But all is now cool again.???? Simple but frustrating.
>> >>
>> >> Dean VP
>> >> Snohomish, WA 98290
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> On Behalf Of James
>> Peck
>> >> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 11:18 AM
>> >> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>> >> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [AT] 1970's farm equipment
>> >>
>> >> I worked for a GM division a little in the late sixties. The focus
>> >> then was
>> >> on making all components so they ended their life at 10 years. The
>> items
>> >> that lasted longer were made too well.
>> >>
>> >> [Henry Miller] The 1970s when efficiency experts ruled every thing
>> >> with the
>> >> bean counters. Cut cost and quality were number one. The auto world
>> >> had it
>> >> worse than most because they suddenly had to meet emissions rules
>> >> that they
>> >> didn't really know how to do and so rube Goldberg contraptions were
>> >> designed
>> >> to that standard with predictable results.
>> >>
>> >> Modern just in time is often very inefficient, but the cost savings
>> >> elsewhere make it vastly more cost effective. Consumers have also
>> >> caught on
>> >> to the idea that quality is sometimes worth paying for. Where the above
>> >> doesn't apply is a race to the bottom that we can't win. China, like
>> >> Taiwan
>> >> and Japan before them is starting to drop out of the game. Africa is
>> >> probably next in my opinion: Vietnam and Pakistan play a bit but they
>> >> are
>> >> not large enough and to beat China and they are not far behind China
>> >> into
>> >> getting out of that hole. India could win for a while, but they have
>> >> a lot
>> >> of smart people who know how to make quality (training on the job in
>> >> the US
>> >> or Europe) and would rather skip the cheap junk period.
>> >>
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