[AT] 1970's farm equipment
Mike M
meulenms at gmx.com
Tue Oct 22 12:25:37 PDT 2019
I'll just say this, and that is because I am a guilty party, when it
comes to OT posts. Their is a wealth of knowledgeable people on this
list, I've been on it long enough to watch them go from actively
restoring old tractors, to passing away; names like Neil Yerigan, HL
Staples, Evil Dave(sorry I can't recall his last name). I've seen this
list morph over the years from when everyone was restoring old tractors
to a kind of sitting around the bonfire BS's list, and Spencer has been
gracious enough to allow this. Quite honestly if this was a highly
moderated list, that was strictly bound by old tractors you'd be lucky
to see one email a month. So Moe if you have a question or a problem,
please ask away, it's sure to get answered. I do agree with you one
point, some of the highly technical engineering stuff, that is over 99%
of the list members list heads, I wouldn't mind see going. But I have a
quick delete key finger to solve that issue. I just wish that posters
would change the Subject line to fit the post as it usually remains
unchanged even though the topic has changed drastically.
Mike M
On 10/22/2019 10:36 AM, Moe Fretz wrote:
> Tractor related?????????
>
> Some how we've gone from Antique Tractors.
> To discussing (bragging) about all
> the engineering courses we've taken or should have.
> To offshore manufacturing quality.
> To the help line accents.
> And now we are into computer IT stuff we know about.
> Could have, would have installed. up grading, what have you.
>
> Not much tractor related stuff in the last few days.
>
> My 1936 John Deere AO qualifies as an antique.
> It does have any software needing to be upgraded.
> No help line available or needed.
> And you don't need to be an engineer to figure how it works.
>
>
>
> $-------&
> Moe F.
>
>
> Ontario, Canada
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:55 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam
> <tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net <mailto:tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>
> In the 70s we all had to take corporate value engineering classes.
> "How to engineer all the value out." Some people did not have
> enough sense it ignore the BS.
>
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> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 7:08 AM, Thomas Mehrkam
> <tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net <mailto:tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
> Windows 10 convinced me it was time to retire.
>
> I developed software mainly for Unix and Linux with some Vax
> VMS?? DX10
> one of T.Is systems and many real time OS for Motorola 68000,
> TI 9900,
> Power PC etc.?? Much of the early work in machine language.
> With some
> Windoze thrown in. XP and 7 was ok.?? Almost great compared to XP.
>
> XP convinced me it was time to retire. The worse of
> Microsoft's crap
> OS's. Even worse than writing assembly and Cobal for Univac 1108
> systems. :-{?? We built a Seismic Acquisition system that
> could record
> data from 40,000 stations at a 2MS sample rate.?? XP brought
> that to a
> stand still. The network stack sucked we went down to maybe 5,000
> stations. :-{
>
>
> On 10/21/2019 11:45 AM, Phil Auten wrote:
> > I usually need to write stuff like that down, and I am/was a
> > computer/IT tech. Now, where'd I put my pencil?
> >
> > I've been out of the computer biz,except for fixing my own,
> since 2011
> > and I am amazed how much it has changed since then. I have
> two working
> > computers, both laptops. The one I am on now is the newest
> and it is
> > running Vista (yuck). The other one is about a 2006 model
> and runs XP.
> > That one I need to redo and load Linux so it will keep up.
> >
> > Phil in TX
> >
> >
> > On 10/20/2019 11:39 PM, deanvp at att.net
> <mailto:deanvp at att.net> wrote:
> >> James,
> >>
> >> ?? Every time I go shopping at the local Costco I marvel at
> how many
> >> foreigners we have here in WA?? I'm sure driven by the High
> Tech
> >> industries
> >> like Microsoft and Amazon. It used to be the Oriental's
> that were
> >> predominate. Now it seems to be East Indians. I'm sure much
> of our
> >> technical
> >> knowledge is eventually ending up back in India.?? However,
> that
> >> doesn't seem
> >> to apply to those who work in the technical support groups
> we call
> >> for help.
> >> I have completely given up on calling any kind of help line
> for
> >> anything.
> >> First because they really don't know very much and secondly
> their accent
> >> combined with my loss of hearing makes understanding them
> almost
> >> impossible.
> >> I will work Google search until I find the answer I'm
> looking for. I
> >> just
> >> went through that recently.?? Some time in the past I
> changed from double
> >> click to single click file opening on my mouse. Long enough
> ago I had
> >> forgotten how I did it.?? For me the obvious place to look
> was on the
> >> setup
> >> of the mouse. Wrong.?? I put up with the change far too
> long and
> >> finally I
> >> had enough.?? But couldn't remember how to fix it. Google
> came to the
> >> rescue.
> >> In Win 10. one has to get into File Explorer, view,
> options, change
> >> options
> >> to get to that setting.?? How in the hell I found that the
> first time is
> >> beyond me?? But all is now cool again.???? Simple but
> frustrating.
> >>
> >> Dean VP
> >> Snohomish, WA 98290
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>> On Behalf Of
> James Peck
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 11:18 AM
> >> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
> >> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>>
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] 1970's farm equipment
> >>
> >> I worked for a GM division a little in the late sixties.
> The focus
> >> then was
> >> on making all components so they ended their life at 10
> years. The items
> >> that lasted longer were made too well.
> >>
> >> [Henry Miller] The 1970s when efficiency experts ruled
> every thing
> >> with the
> >> bean counters. Cut cost and quality were number one. The
> auto world
> >> had it
> >> worse than most because they suddenly had to meet emissions
> rules
> >> that they
> >> didn't really know how to do and so rube Goldberg
> contraptions were
> >> designed
> >> to that standard with predictable results.
> >>
> >> Modern just in time is often very inefficient, but the cost
> savings
> >> elsewhere make it vastly more cost effective. Consumers
> have also
> >> caught on
> >> to the idea that quality is sometimes worth paying for.
> Where the above
> >> doesn't apply is a race to the bottom that we can't win.
> China, like
> >> Taiwan
> >> and Japan before them is starting to drop out of the game.
> Africa is
> >> probably next in my opinion: Vietnam and Pakistan play a
> bit but they
> >> are
> >> not large enough and to beat China and they are not far
> behind China
> >> into
> >> getting out of that hole. India could win for a while, but
> they have
> >> a lot
> >> of smart people who know how to make quality (training on
> the job in
> >> the US
> >> or Europe) and would rather skip the cheap junk period.
> >>
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