<div dir="ltr">RIP to those list members Mike mentions, and I'll add George Willer, Cecil Monson, and Mike Sloane. Evil Dave's last name is Rotigel. I also agree that a little email (courtesy? ettiquette?) goes a long way. Changing subject lines... and that goes both ways. I see existing, continuous discussions where somehow the subject line should not get changed but does, so suddenly it looks like multiple separate discussions. And the other side of the coin, where the discussion does change but the subject line does not.<div><br></div><div>SO</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com">meulenms@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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I'll just say this, and that is because I am a guilty party, when it
comes to OT posts. Their is a wealth of knowledgeable people on this
list, I've been on it long enough to watch them go from actively
restoring old tractors, to passing away; names like Neil Yerigan, HL
Staples, Evil Dave(sorry I can't recall his last name). I've seen
this list morph over the years from when everyone was restoring old
tractors to a kind of sitting around the bonfire BS's list, and
Spencer has been gracious enough to allow this. Quite honestly if
this was a highly moderated list, that was strictly bound by old
tractors you'd be lucky to see one email a month. So Moe if you have
a question or a problem, please ask away, it's sure to get answered.
I do agree with you one point, some of the highly technical
engineering stuff, that is over 99% of the list members list heads,
I wouldn't mind see going. But I have a quick delete key finger to
solve that issue. I just wish that posters would change the Subject
line to fit the post as it usually remains unchanged even though the
topic has changed drastically.<br>
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<div>On 10/22/2019 10:36 AM, Moe Fretz
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(166,77,121)">Tractor
related?????????</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(166,77,121)"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(166,77,121)">Some
how we've gone from Antique Tractors.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(166,77,121)">To
discussing (bragging) about all</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(166,77,121)">the
engineering courses we've taken or should have.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(166,77,121)">To
offshore manufacturing quality.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(166,77,121)">To
the help line accents.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(166,77,121)">And
now we are into computer IT stuff we know about.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(166,77,121)">Could
have, would have installed. up grading, what have you.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(166,77,121)"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(166,77,121)">Not
much tractor related stuff in the last few days.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(166,77,121)"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(166,77,121)">My
1936 John Deere AO qualifies as an antique.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(166,77,121)">It
does have any software needing to be upgraded.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(166,77,121)">No
help line available or needed.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(166,77,121)">And
you don't need to be an engineer to figure how it works.</div>
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Windows 10 convinced me it was time to retire.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
I developed software mainly for Unix and Linux with some
Vax VMS?? DX10 <br clear="none">
one of T.Is systems and many real time OS for Motorola
68000, TI 9900, <br clear="none">
Power PC etc.?? Much of the early work in machine
language. With some <br clear="none">
Windoze thrown in. XP and 7 was ok.?? Almost great
compared to XP.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
XP convinced me it was time to retire. The worse of
Microsoft's crap <br clear="none">
OS's. Even worse than writing assembly and Cobal for
Univac 1108 <br clear="none">
systems. :-{?? We built a Seismic Acquisition system that
could record <br clear="none">
data from 40,000 stations at a 2MS sample rate.?? XP
brought that to a <br clear="none">
stand still. The network stack sucked we went down to
maybe 5,000 <br clear="none">
stations. :-{<br clear="none">
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On 10/21/2019 11:45 AM, Phil Auten wrote:<br clear="none">
> I usually need to write stuff like that down, and I
am/was a <br clear="none">
> computer/IT tech. Now, where'd I put my pencil?<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> I've been out of the computer biz,except for fixing
my own, since 2011 <br clear="none">
> and I am amazed how much it has changed since then. I
have two working <br clear="none">
> computers, both laptops. The one I am on now is the
newest and it is <br clear="none">
> running Vista (yuck). The other one is about a 2006
model and runs XP. <br clear="none">
> That one I need to redo and load Linux so it will
keep up.<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> Phil in TX<br clear="none">
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> On 10/20/2019 11:39 PM, <a href="mailto:deanvp@att.net" shape="rect" target="_blank">deanvp@att.net</a>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>> James,<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> ?? Every time I go shopping at the local Costco I
marvel at how many<br clear="none">
>> foreigners we have here in WA?? I'm sure driven
by the High Tech <br clear="none">
>> industries<br clear="none">
>> like Microsoft and Amazon. It used to be the
Oriental's that were<br clear="none">
>> predominate. Now it seems to be East Indians. I'm
sure much of our <br clear="none">
>> technical<br clear="none">
>> knowledge is eventually ending up back in
India.?? However, that <br clear="none">
>> doesn't seem<br clear="none">
>> to apply to those who work in the technical
support groups we call <br clear="none">
>> for help.<br clear="none">
>> I have completely given up on calling any kind of
help line for <br clear="none">
>> anything.<br clear="none">
>> First because they really don't know very much
and secondly their accent<br clear="none">
>> combined with my loss of hearing makes
understanding them almost <br clear="none">
>> impossible.<br clear="none">
>> I will work Google search until I find the answer
I'm looking for. I <br clear="none">
>> just<br clear="none">
>> went through that recently.?? Some time in the
past I changed from double<br clear="none">
>> click to single click file opening on my mouse.
Long enough ago I had<br clear="none">
>> forgotten how I did it.?? For me the obvious
place to look was on the <br clear="none">
>> setup<br clear="none">
>> of the mouse. Wrong.?? I put up with the change
far too long and <br clear="none">
>> finally I<br clear="none">
>> had enough.?? But couldn't remember how to fix
it. Google came to the <br clear="none">
>> rescue.<br clear="none">
>> In Win 10. one has to get into File Explorer,
view, options, change <br clear="none">
>> options<br clear="none">
>> to get to that setting.?? How in the hell I found
that the first time is<br clear="none">
>> beyond me?? But all is now cool again.???? Simple
but frustrating.<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> Dean VP<br clear="none">
>> Snohomish, WA 98290<br clear="none">
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>> -----Original Message-----<br clear="none">
>> From: AT <<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" shape="rect" target="_blank">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>
On Behalf Of James Peck<br clear="none">
>> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 11:18 AM<br clear="none">
>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <br clear="none">
>> <<a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" shape="rect" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br clear="none">
>> Subject: Re: [AT] 1970's farm equipment<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> I worked for a GM division a little in the late
sixties. The focus <br clear="none">
>> then was<br clear="none">
>> on making all components so they ended their life
at 10 years. The items<br clear="none">
>> that lasted longer were made too well.<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> [Henry Miller] The 1970s when efficiency experts
ruled every thing <br clear="none">
>> with the<br clear="none">
>> bean counters. Cut cost and quality were number
one. The auto world <br clear="none">
>> had it<br clear="none">
>> worse than most because they suddenly had to meet
emissions rules <br clear="none">
>> that they<br clear="none">
>> didn't really know how to do and so rube Goldberg
contraptions were <br clear="none">
>> designed<br clear="none">
>> to that standard with predictable results.<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> Modern just in time is often very inefficient,
but the cost savings<br clear="none">
>> elsewhere make it vastly more cost effective.
Consumers have also <br clear="none">
>> caught on<br clear="none">
>> to the idea that quality is sometimes worth
paying for. Where the above<br clear="none">
>> doesn't apply is a race to the bottom that we
can't win. China, like <br clear="none">
>> Taiwan<br clear="none">
>> and Japan before them is starting to drop out of
the game. Africa is<br clear="none">
>> probably next in my opinion: Vietnam and Pakistan
play a bit but they <br clear="none">
>> are<br clear="none">
>> not large enough and to beat China and they are
not far behind China <br clear="none">
>> into<br clear="none">
>> getting out of that hole. India could win for a
while, but they have <br clear="none">
>> a lot<br clear="none">
>> of smart people who know how to make quality
(training on the job in <br clear="none">
>> the US<br clear="none">
>> or Europe) and would rather skip the cheap junk
period.<br clear="none">
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