[AT] 1970's farm equipment

Wed Oct 23 00:58:36 PDT 2019

Interesting tractor which was made for a very short period of time.  Since we are seeing who can pee the farthest, what was a very desirable standard feature on the 1936 JD AO that was also available on the 1936 AR as an option which sometimes makes them hard to  identify correctly ? 

Dean VP

Snohomish, WA 98290

From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> On Behalf Of Moe Fretz
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:37 AM
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Tractor related?????????

Some how we've gone from Antique Tractors.

To discussing (bragging) about all

the engineering courses we've taken or should have.

To offshore manufacturing quality.

To the help line accents.

And now we are into computer IT stuff we know about.

Could have, would have installed. up grading, what have you.

Not much tractor related stuff in the last few days.

My 1936 John Deere AO qualifies as an antique.

It does have any software needing to be upgraded.

No help line available or needed.

And you don't need to be an engineer to figure how it works.

$-------&
Moe F.

Ontario, Canada

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:55 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam <tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net <mailto:tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

In the 70s we all had to take corporate value engineering classes. "How to engineer all the value out." Some people did not have enough sense it ignore the BS.

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On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 7:08 AM, Thomas Mehrkam

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Windows 10 convinced me it was time to retire.

I developed software mainly for Unix and Linux with some Vax VMS?? DX10 
one of T.Is systems and many real time OS for Motorola 68000, TI 9900, 
Power PC etc.?? Much of the early work in machine language. With some 
Windoze thrown in. XP and 7 was ok.?? Almost great compared to XP.

XP convinced me it was time to retire. The worse of Microsoft's crap 
OS's. Even worse than writing assembly and Cobal for Univac 1108 
systems. :-{?? We built a Seismic Acquisition system that could record 
data from 40,000 stations at a 2MS sample rate.?? XP brought that to a 
stand still. The network stack sucked we went down to maybe 5,000 
stations. :-{

On 10/21/2019 11:45 AM, Phil Auten wrote:
> I usually need to write stuff like that down, and I am/was a 
> computer/IT tech. Now, where'd I put my pencil?
>
> I've been out of the computer biz,except for fixing my own, since 2011 
> and I am amazed how much it has changed since then. I have two working 
> computers, both laptops. The one I am on now is the newest and it is 
> running Vista (yuck). The other one is about a 2006 model and runs XP. 
> That one I need to redo and load Linux so it will keep up.
>
> Phil in TX
>
>
> On 10/20/2019 11:39 PM, deanvp at att.net <mailto:deanvp at att.net>  wrote:
>> James,
>>
>> ?? Every time I go shopping at the local Costco I marvel at how many
>> foreigners we have here in WA?? I'm sure driven by the High Tech 
>> industries
>> like Microsoft and Amazon. It used to be the Oriental's that were
>> predominate. Now it seems to be East Indians. I'm sure much of our 
>> technical
>> knowledge is eventually ending up back in India.?? However, that 
>> doesn't seem
>> to apply to those who work in the technical support groups we call 
>> for help.
>> I have completely given up on calling any kind of help line for 
>> anything.
>> First because they really don't know very much and secondly their accent
>> combined with my loss of hearing makes understanding them almost 
>> impossible.
>> I will work Google search until I find the answer I'm looking for. I 
>> just
>> went through that recently.?? Some time in the past I changed from double
>> click to single click file opening on my mouse. Long enough ago I had
>> forgotten how I did it.?? For me the obvious place to look was on the 
>> setup
>> of the mouse. Wrong.?? I put up with the change far too long and 
>> finally I
>> had enough.?? But couldn't remember how to fix it. Google came to the 
>> rescue.
>> In Win 10. one has to get into File Explorer, view, options, change 
>> options
>> to get to that setting.?? How in the hell I found that the first time is
>> beyond me?? But all is now cool again.???? Simple but frustrating.
>>
>> Dean VP
>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Subject: Re: [AT] 1970's farm equipment
>>
>> I worked for a GM division a little in the late sixties. The focus 
>> then was
>> on making all components so they ended their life at 10 years. The items
>> that lasted longer were made too well.
>>
>> [Henry Miller] The 1970s when efficiency experts ruled every thing 
>> with the
>> bean counters. Cut cost and quality were number one. The auto world 
>> had it
>> worse than most because they suddenly had to meet emissions rules 
>> that they
>> didn't really know how to do and so rube Goldberg contraptions were 
>> designed
>> to that standard with predictable results.
>>
>> Modern just in time is often very inefficient, but the cost savings
>> elsewhere make it vastly more cost effective. Consumers have also 
>> caught on
>> to the idea that quality is sometimes worth paying for. Where the above
>> doesn't apply is a race to the bottom that we can't win. China, like 
>> Taiwan
>> and Japan before them is starting to drop out of the game. Africa is
>> probably next in my opinion: Vietnam and Pakistan play a bit but they 
>> are
>> not large enough and to beat China and they are not far behind China 
>> into
>> getting out of that hole. India could win for a while, but they have 
>> a lot
>> of smart people who know how to make quality (training on the job in 
>> the US
>> or Europe) and would rather skip the cheap junk period.
>>
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