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I'll just say this, and that is because I am a guilty party, when it
comes to OT posts. Their is a wealth of knowledgeable people on this
list, I've been on it long enough to watch them go from actively
restoring old tractors, to passing away; names like Neil Yerigan, HL
Staples, Evil Dave(sorry I can't recall his last name). I've seen
this list morph over the years from when everyone was restoring old
tractors to a kind of sitting around the bonfire BS's list, and
Spencer has been gracious enough to allow this. Quite honestly if
this was a highly moderated list, that was strictly bound by old
tractors you'd be lucky to see one email a month. So Moe if you have
a question or a problem, please ask away, it's sure to get answered.
I do agree with you one point, some of the highly technical
engineering stuff, that is over 99% of the list members list heads,
I wouldn't mind see going. But I have a quick delete key finger to
solve that issue. I just wish that posters would change the Subject
line to fit the post as it usually remains unchanged even though the
topic has changed drastically.<br>
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Mike M <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/22/2019 10:36 AM, Moe Fretz
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<div class="gmail_default"
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related?????????</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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how we've gone from Antique Tractors.</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#a64d79">To
discussing (bragging) about all</div>
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engineering courses we've taken or should have.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#a64d79">To
offshore manufacturing quality.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#a64d79">To
the help line accents.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#a64d79">And
now we are into computer IT stuff we know about.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
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have, would have installed. up grading, what have you.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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much tractor related stuff in the last few days.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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1936 John Deere AO qualifies as an antique.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#a64d79">It
does have any software needing to be upgraded.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
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help line available or needed.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
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you don't need to be an engineer to figure how it works.</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:55
AM ustonThomas Mehrkam <<a
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Windows 10 convinced me it was time to retire.<br
clear="none">
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I developed software mainly for Unix and Linux with some
Vax VMS?? DX10 <br clear="none">
one of T.Is systems and many real time OS for Motorola
68000, TI 9900, <br clear="none">
Power PC etc.?? Much of the early work in machine
language. With some <br clear="none">
Windoze thrown in. XP and 7 was ok.?? Almost great
compared to XP.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
XP convinced me it was time to retire. The worse of
Microsoft's crap <br clear="none">
OS's. Even worse than writing assembly and Cobal for
Univac 1108 <br clear="none">
systems. :-{?? We built a Seismic Acquisition system that
could record <br clear="none">
data from 40,000 stations at a 2MS sample rate.?? XP
brought that to a <br clear="none">
stand still. The network stack sucked we went down to
maybe 5,000 <br clear="none">
stations. :-{<br clear="none">
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On 10/21/2019 11:45 AM, Phil Auten wrote:<br clear="none">
> I usually need to write stuff like that down, and I
am/was a <br clear="none">
> computer/IT tech. Now, where'd I put my pencil?<br
clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> I've been out of the computer biz,except for fixing
my own, since 2011 <br clear="none">
> and I am amazed how much it has changed since then. I
have two working <br clear="none">
> computers, both laptops. The one I am on now is the
newest and it is <br clear="none">
> running Vista (yuck). The other one is about a 2006
model and runs XP. <br clear="none">
> That one I need to redo and load Linux so it will
keep up.<br clear="none">
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> Phil in TX<br clear="none">
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> On 10/20/2019 11:39 PM, <a
href="mailto:deanvp@att.net" target="_blank"
shape="rect" moz-do-not-send="true">deanvp@att.net</a>
wrote:<br clear="none">
>> James,<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> ?? Every time I go shopping at the local Costco I
marvel at how many<br clear="none">
>> foreigners we have here in WA?? I'm sure driven
by the High Tech <br clear="none">
>> industries<br clear="none">
>> like Microsoft and Amazon. It used to be the
Oriental's that were<br clear="none">
>> predominate. Now it seems to be East Indians. I'm
sure much of our <br clear="none">
>> technical<br clear="none">
>> knowledge is eventually ending up back in
India.?? However, that <br clear="none">
>> doesn't seem<br clear="none">
>> to apply to those who work in the technical
support groups we call <br clear="none">
>> for help.<br clear="none">
>> I have completely given up on calling any kind of
help line for <br clear="none">
>> anything.<br clear="none">
>> First because they really don't know very much
and secondly their accent<br clear="none">
>> combined with my loss of hearing makes
understanding them almost <br clear="none">
>> impossible.<br clear="none">
>> I will work Google search until I find the answer
I'm looking for. I <br clear="none">
>> just<br clear="none">
>> went through that recently.?? Some time in the
past I changed from double<br clear="none">
>> click to single click file opening on my mouse.
Long enough ago I had<br clear="none">
>> forgotten how I did it.?? For me the obvious
place to look was on the <br clear="none">
>> setup<br clear="none">
>> of the mouse. Wrong.?? I put up with the change
far too long and <br clear="none">
>> finally I<br clear="none">
>> had enough.?? But couldn't remember how to fix
it. Google came to the <br clear="none">
>> rescue.<br clear="none">
>> In Win 10. one has to get into File Explorer,
view, options, change <br clear="none">
>> options<br clear="none">
>> to get to that setting.?? How in the hell I found
that the first time is<br clear="none">
>> beyond me?? But all is now cool again.???? Simple
but frustrating.<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> Dean VP<br clear="none">
>> Snohomish, WA 98290<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> -----Original Message-----<br clear="none">
>> From: AT <<a
href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" shape="rect" moz-do-not-send="true">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>
On Behalf Of James Peck<br clear="none">
>> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 11:18 AM<br
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>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <br
clear="none">
>> <<a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" shape="rect" moz-do-not-send="true">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br
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>> Subject: Re: [AT] 1970's farm equipment<br
clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> I worked for a GM division a little in the late
sixties. The focus <br clear="none">
>> then was<br clear="none">
>> on making all components so they ended their life
at 10 years. The items<br clear="none">
>> that lasted longer were made too well.<br
clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> [Henry Miller] The 1970s when efficiency experts
ruled every thing <br clear="none">
>> with the<br clear="none">
>> bean counters. Cut cost and quality were number
one. The auto world <br clear="none">
>> had it<br clear="none">
>> worse than most because they suddenly had to meet
emissions rules <br clear="none">
>> that they<br clear="none">
>> didn't really know how to do and so rube Goldberg
contraptions were <br clear="none">
>> designed<br clear="none">
>> to that standard with predictable results.<br
clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>> Modern just in time is often very inefficient,
but the cost savings<br clear="none">
>> elsewhere make it vastly more cost effective.
Consumers have also <br clear="none">
>> caught on<br clear="none">
>> to the idea that quality is sometimes worth
paying for. Where the above<br clear="none">
>> doesn't apply is a race to the bottom that we
can't win. China, like <br clear="none">
>> Taiwan<br clear="none">
>> and Japan before them is starting to drop out of
the game. Africa is<br clear="none">
>> probably next in my opinion: Vietnam and Pakistan
play a bit but they <br clear="none">
>> are<br clear="none">
>> not large enough and to beat China and they are
not far behind China <br clear="none">
>> into<br clear="none">
>> getting out of that hole. India could win for a
while, but they have <br clear="none">
>> a lot<br clear="none">
>> of smart people who know how to make quality
(training on the job in <br clear="none">
>> the US<br clear="none">
>> or Europe) and would rather skip the cheap junk
period.<br clear="none">
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>> .<br clear="none">
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