[AT] 1970's farm equipment

Tue Oct 22 10:57:03 PDT 2019

Another opinion.  Admittedly there's been quite a bit of off-topic stuff
these days, but on the other hand, this list can get VERY quiet when we try
too hard to stay completely on-topic.  There's a happy medium.  Spencer
does a fine job of keeping us generally in line as far as I'm concerned.
I'd rather see, and delete, some modest quantity of off-topic stuff than
see the list go dead for days and even weeks on end.

Steve O.

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 1:29 PM Mitchell Daly <md31043 at msn.com> wrote:

> Excellent reply, Moe!!!
>
> Mitch
> md31043 at msn.com
>
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> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> on behalf of Moe Fretz <
> tubetester at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:36 AM
> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >
> *Subject:* Re: [AT] 1970's farm equipment
>
> Tractor related?????????
>
> Some how we've gone from Antique Tractors.
> To discussing (bragging) about all
> the engineering courses we've taken or should have.
> To offshore manufacturing quality.
> To the help line accents.
> And now we are into computer IT stuff we know about.
> Could have, would have installed. up grading, what have you.
>
> Not much tractor related stuff in the last few days.
>
> My 1936 John Deere AO qualifies as an antique.
> It does have any software needing to be upgraded.
> No help line available or needed.
> And you don't need to be an engineer to figure how it works.
>
>
>
> $-------&
> Moe F.
>
>
> Ontario, Canada
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:55 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam <
> tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> In the 70s we all had to take corporate value engineering classes. "How to
> engineer all the value out." Some people did not have enough sense it
> ignore the BS.
>
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> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 7:08 AM, Thomas Mehrkam
> <tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Windows 10 convinced me it was time to retire.
>
> I developed software mainly for Unix and Linux with some Vax VMS?? DX10
> one of T.Is systems and many real time OS for Motorola 68000, TI 9900,
> Power PC etc.?? Much of the early work in machine language. With some
> Windoze thrown in. XP and 7 was ok.?? Almost great compared to XP.
>
> XP convinced me it was time to retire. The worse of Microsoft's crap
> OS's. Even worse than writing assembly and Cobal for Univac 1108
> systems. :-{?? We built a Seismic Acquisition system that could record
> data from 40,000 stations at a 2MS sample rate.?? XP brought that to a
> stand still. The network stack sucked we went down to maybe 5,000
> stations. :-{
>
>
> On 10/21/2019 11:45 AM, Phil Auten wrote:
> > I usually need to write stuff like that down, and I am/was a
> > computer/IT tech. Now, where'd I put my pencil?
> >
> > I've been out of the computer biz,except for fixing my own, since 2011
> > and I am amazed how much it has changed since then. I have two working
> > computers, both laptops. The one I am on now is the newest and it is
> > running Vista (yuck). The other one is about a 2006 model and runs XP.
> > That one I need to redo and load Linux so it will keep up.
> >
> > Phil in TX
> >
> >
> > On 10/20/2019 11:39 PM, deanvp at att.net wrote:
> >> James,
> >>
> >> ?? Every time I go shopping at the local Costco I marvel at how many
> >> foreigners we have here in WA?? I'm sure driven by the High Tech
> >> industries
> >> like Microsoft and Amazon. It used to be the Oriental's that were
> >> predominate. Now it seems to be East Indians. I'm sure much of our
> >> technical
> >> knowledge is eventually ending up back in India.?? However, that
> >> doesn't seem
> >> to apply to those who work in the technical support groups we call
> >> for help.
> >> I have completely given up on calling any kind of help line for
> >> anything.
> >> First because they really don't know very much and secondly their accent
> >> combined with my loss of hearing makes understanding them almost
> >> impossible.
> >> I will work Google search until I find the answer I'm looking for. I
> >> just
> >> went through that recently.?? Some time in the past I changed from
> double
> >> click to single click file opening on my mouse. Long enough ago I had
> >> forgotten how I did it.?? For me the obvious place to look was on the
> >> setup
> >> of the mouse. Wrong.?? I put up with the change far too long and
> >> finally I
> >> had enough.?? But couldn't remember how to fix it. Google came to the
> >> rescue.
> >> In Win 10. one has to get into File Explorer, view, options, change
> >> options
> >> to get to that setting.?? How in the hell I found that the first time is
> >> beyond me?? But all is now cool again.???? Simple but frustrating.
> >>
> >> Dean VP
> >> Snohomish, WA 98290
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> On Behalf Of James Peck
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 11:18 AM
> >> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
> >> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] 1970's farm equipment
> >>
> >> I worked for a GM division a little in the late sixties. The focus
> >> then was
> >> on making all components so they ended their life at 10 years. The items
> >> that lasted longer were made too well.
> >>
> >> [Henry Miller] The 1970s when efficiency experts ruled every thing
> >> with the
> >> bean counters. Cut cost and quality were number one. The auto world
> >> had it
> >> worse than most because they suddenly had to meet emissions rules
> >> that they
> >> didn't really know how to do and so rube Goldberg contraptions were
> >> designed
> >> to that standard with predictable results.
> >>
> >> Modern just in time is often very inefficient, but the cost savings
> >> elsewhere make it vastly more cost effective. Consumers have also
> >> caught on
> >> to the idea that quality is sometimes worth paying for. Where the above
> >> doesn't apply is a race to the bottom that we can't win. China, like
> >> Taiwan
> >> and Japan before them is starting to drop out of the game. Africa is
> >> probably next in my opinion: Vietnam and Pakistan play a bit but they
> >> are
> >> not large enough and to beat China and they are not far behind China
> >> into
> >> getting out of that hole. India could win for a while, but they have
> >> a lot
> >> of smart people who know how to make quality (training on the job in
> >> the US
> >> or Europe) and would rather skip the cheap junk period.
> >>
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