[AT] Osages to maples

Mike M meulenms at gmx.com
Wed Nov 6 19:33:20 PST 2019


Dean, I have to agree about the dozer,  I have a guy that will come out
for $100 per hour, minimum of 4 hours, and he works hard during those 4
hours, and is not a clock watcher. When he looks at the job and tells me
it should take 3 or 4 hours and it ends up being 6, he doesn't charge
extra, that's just the way he is. That's why I don't shop him at all, I
just call him and ask him when he can fit me in. It doesn't hurt that I
pay him cash on the spot :-)

The question I had was all those little scrub bushes that leave little
stubs about 3" above the ground . How to you get rid of those, so the
grass can fill in and it doesn't wreck your mower? Or are those just
vines hanging off the trees?

Regards,
Mike M



On 11/6/2019 8:57 PM, Dean Vinson wrote:
>
> I don’t have box elder here, at least that I’ve recognized, but
> there’s no shortage of honeysuckle.   There’s a little bit of black
> cherry but I generally leave it alone since it’s a “nice” woods tree
> as opposed to the masses of honeysuckle and osage orange.
>
> Osage, in my experience at least, is in a class by itself.   As Mike
> mentioned it makes outstanding firewood (if throwing sparks isn’t a
> problem).  I think I read somewhere it has the highest BTU content per
> unit volume of any hardwood in the eastern half of the country.   It
> also practically never rots so it makes excellent fenceposts, and I’ve
> given a little to a guy who wanted to make archery bows.  But it makes
> you work darn hard for every last piece.   The young trees are covered
> with wicked thorns; the old ones are twisted and sprawled out and
> interlocked with their neighbors.  Mighty little of it is long enough,
> straight enough, and free enough of suckers and side branches to make
> for easy working even after the tree is on the ground.
>
> My general approach has been as Carl described, chainsaw and big burn
> piles.   But with osage, you have to paint the outer edge of the cut
> stump with a herbicide or next year you’ll have the thorniest nastiest
> bush you can imagine, which will flatten your tractor tires when you
> bush hog it and then will grow back anyway.    Taking a shovel and
> digging all around the stump helps me cut the stump at or below ground
> level while hopefully keeping the chainsaw out of the dirt, but adds
> to the work.   The wood is so hard I’ve taken to only using carbide
> chains, since the regular ones just get worthless dull way too fast.
>
> The only roots I ever pull are the ones that have surfaced enough to
> be in my way or were right where I wanted to plant one of the new
> maples.   I usually use the Super M, but the 620 and I think the Ford
> 3600 have had a few turns at it also.   And I’m talking about one
> individual root, maybe 2” to 6” in diameter.   I don’t think any of
> those tractors would pull out a complete osage tree or stump, if the
> tree were any bigger than about 2” diameter.
>
> For stumps that are too big for me to feasibly just cut off at ground
> level, I burn them out.   Works better if I dig out around all sides
> first, but that is work with a capital W (see attached photo from this
> past March).   Cut the tree, cut and haul off any firewood I want, dig
> around the stump, load up the stump with big logs, pile on the small
> stuff, fire it up. Sometimes I take the chainsaw and cut slots down
> into the stump, but that risks getting the chain in the dirt.   Once
> in a while the stump will catch fire below ground and burn down like a
> seam of coal, and I’m always happy when that happens.
>
> All of the above makes no sense if time is important, and honestly I’m
> not sure I’d have tackled the big hedgerow if I’d really understood
> beforehand how much work it would be.   Hiring somebody with a serious
> dozer would be the practical way to do it.
>
> Dean Vinson
>
> Saint Paris, Ohio
>
> *From:*AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Mike M
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 6, 2019 6:35 PM
> *To:* at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Osages to maples
>
> I have tons of Box Elder, total crap trees, might try to cable them
> high and pull them out with my neighbors 4440, if mine won't do it.
>
> Mike M
>
> On 11/6/2019 5:37 PM, Carl Gogol wrote:
>
>     After bush hogging the smaller stuff I have cleared acres of scrub
>     brush by chainsaw and big burn piles.  Cutting the stumps level to
>     the ground has been hard on chains, but leaves no holes in the
>     ground.  Works well for pasture.
>
>     Grass perks right up after the shade is removed.  Species
>     encountered are Hawthorne, Honeysuckle, Black Cherry, ash and Box
>     Elder.  Some stumps are cut a second time a year or so later as
>     they miraculously rise a few inches out of the ground.  Quite a
>     bit of work, but no dozer required.
>
>     Carl
>
>     Manlius,NY
>
>     *From:*AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>     <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike M
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, November 6, 2019 2:12 PM
>     *To:* at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>     <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [AT] Osages to maples
>
>     Wow Dean, that's impressive! I suspect the trees you left will
>     really thrive now that they get their full sun and nutrients.
>     Question for you, I have an area of property that i would like to
>     clear. It's thick like a jungle just to the right of your M. How
>     did you remove the roots? Did you cut the brush first, and then
>     tackle the roots, or were you able to pull out clumps at a time.
>
>     Thanks,
>     Mike M
>
>     On 11/6/2019 4:02 AM, Dean Vinson wrote:
>
>         Hi Mike, sorry about that.   Both of the photos I’d previously
>         attached were looking generally southward but from different
>         vantage points.
>
>         Here’s a collage of Google aerial photos to hopefully help
>         explain a little better.   My earlier 2014 picture was taken
>         from down near where the big walnut tree is, but the 2019
>         picture was taken from way up close to the house (farther
>         north than the osage bramble had ever been).
>
>         Dean
>
>         *From:*AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] *On
>         Behalf Of *Mike M
>         *Sent:* Tuesday, November 5, 2019 9:52 PM
>         *To:* at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>         <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>         *Subject:* Re: [AT] Osages to maples
>
>         Hi Dean, could you clarify  what direction we're looking in,
>         were the two larger trees buried in the brambles? I'm terrible
>         at  deciphering directions. Where is the Farmall parked in
>         comparison to the old and new picture?
>
>         Thanks,
>         Mike M
>
>         On 11/5/2019 6:52 PM, Dean Vinson wrote:
>
>             About five years ago I started clearing out an old osage
>             orange hedgerow, maybe 150 yards long, that hadn’t been
>             tended in many decades. Lots of time with the chainsaw,
>             lots of bonfires, lots of work with the Super M dragging
>             logs and pulling roots and hauling firewood, lots of work
>             with the JD 620 and rear blade grading and smoothing.  
>             Yesterday I had a crew plant eight new red maple trees on
>             the same line where the osage trees had been, and this
>             afternoon I got the Super M out again to haul trashcans
>             full of water back to them.
>
>             The top half of the attached photo is the 2014 view,
>             showing one of my first bonfires as I began clearing out
>             the osage and honeysuckle and briars.   My goal back then
>             was just to clear out some breathing space around a nice
>             mature walnut tree that I’d discovered earlier that year
>             after noticing its top sticking up above the canopy of the
>             older but shorter osage trees.   It’s not visible in the
>             photo but it’d be to the right of the bonfire.   After a
>             couple of years of occasional trimming and cleanup and
>             thinning out, I set my sights on removing the hedgerow
>             completely. (There’s also another one, but I’m just
>             cleaning it up and will keep many of the big trees).
>
>             The bottom half of the attached photo is the view from a
>             few hours ago.   The mass of trees and brambles from the
>             top photo had been just to the left of the little gravel
>             lane behind where the tractor is now sitting.   The tall
>             trees behind the tractor had all managed to survive
>             despite being engulfed by the sprawling osages; the dark
>             one in the middle is the big walnut I’d first started
>             clearing out around five years earlier.    Interesting
>             that those trees all lean slightly away from where the
>             osages had been.   The new maples, hardly visible since
>             they’re small, are dead on the centerline of the original
>             hedgerow.
>
>             Will be interesting to see how the new trees do over
>             time.   It’s been fun, sort of, plugging away at that
>             scraggly old hedgerow over the years, and darn nice to
>             have a couple old tractors to help.
>
>             Dean Vinson
>
>             Saint Paris, Ohio
>
>
>
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