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Dean, I have to agree about the dozer, I have a guy that will come
out for $100 per hour, minimum of 4 hours, and he works hard during
those 4 hours, and is not a clock watcher. When he looks at the job
and tells me it should take 3 or 4 hours and it ends up being 6, he
doesn't charge extra, that's just the way he is. That's why I don't
shop him at all, I just call him and ask him when he can fit me in.
It doesn't hurt that I pay him cash on the spot :-)<br>
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The question I had was all those little scrub bushes that leave
little stubs about 3" above the ground . How to you get rid of
those, so the grass can fill in and it doesn't wreck your mower? Or
are those just vines hanging off the trees?<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Mike M<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I don’t have
box elder here, at least that I’ve recognized, but there’s
no shortage of honeysuckle. There’s a little bit of black
cherry but I generally leave it alone since it’s a “nice”
woods tree as opposed to the masses of honeysuckle and osage
orange.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Osage, in my
experience at least, is in a class by itself. As Mike
mentioned it makes outstanding firewood (if throwing sparks
isn’t a problem). I think I read somewhere it has the
highest BTU content per unit volume of any hardwood in the
eastern half of the country. It also practically never
rots so it makes excellent fenceposts, and I’ve given a
little to a guy who wanted to make archery bows. But it
makes you work darn hard for every last piece. The young
trees are covered with wicked thorns; the old ones are
twisted and sprawled out and interlocked with their
neighbors. Mighty little of it is long enough, straight
enough, and free enough of suckers and side branches to make
for easy working even after the tree is on the ground.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">My general
approach has been as Carl described, chainsaw and big burn
piles. But with osage, you have to paint the outer edge of
the cut stump with a herbicide or next year you’ll have the
thorniest nastiest bush you can imagine, which will flatten
your tractor tires when you bush hog it and then will grow
back anyway. Taking a shovel and digging all around the
stump helps me cut the stump at or below ground level while
hopefully keeping the chainsaw out of the dirt, but adds to
the work. The wood is so hard I’ve taken to only using
carbide chains, since the regular ones just get worthless
dull way too fast.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The only roots
I ever pull are the ones that have surfaced enough to be in
my way or were right where I wanted to plant one of the new
maples. I usually use the Super M, but the 620 and I think
the Ford 3600 have had a few turns at it also. And I’m
talking about one individual root, maybe 2” to 6” in
diameter. I don’t think any of those tractors would pull
out a complete osage tree or stump, if the tree were any
bigger than about 2” diameter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">For stumps that
are too big for me to feasibly just cut off at ground level,
I burn them out. Works better if I dig out around all
sides first, but that is work with a capital W (see attached
photo from this past March). Cut the tree, cut and haul
off any firewood I want, dig around the stump, load up the
stump with big logs, pile on the small stuff, fire it up.
Sometimes I take the chainsaw and cut slots down into the
stump, but that risks getting the chain in the dirt. Once
in a while the stump will catch fire below ground and burn
down like a seam of coal, and I’m always happy when that
happens.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">All of the
above makes no sense if time is important, and honestly I’m
not sure I’d have tackled the big hedgerow if I’d really
understood beforehand how much work it would be. Hiring
somebody with a serious dozer would be the practical way to
do it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dean Vinson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Saint Paris,
Ohio<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> AT
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Mike M<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 6, 2019 6:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Osages to maples<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I have tons of
Box Elder, total crap trees, might try to cable them high and
pull them out with my neighbors 4440, if mine won't do it.<br>
<br>
Mike M <span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">After bush
hogging the smaller stuff I have cleared acres of scrub
brush by chainsaw and big burn piles. Cutting the stumps
level to the ground has been hard on chains, but leaves no
holes in the ground. Works well for pasture.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Grass
perks right up after the shade is removed. Species
encountered are Hawthorne, Honeysuckle, Black Cherry, ash
and Box Elder. Some stumps are cut a second time a year
or so later as they miraculously rise a few inches out of
the ground. Quite a bit of work, but no dozer required.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Carl </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Manlius,NY</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> AT <a
href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike M<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 6, 2019 2:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Osages to maples</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Wow Dean,
that's impressive! I suspect the trees you left will really
thrive now that they get their full sun and nutrients.
Question for you, I have an area of property that i would
like to clear. It's thick like a jungle just to the right of
your M. How did you remove the roots? Did you cut the brush
first, and then tackle the roots, or were you able to pull
out clumps at a time.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Mike M<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 11/6/2019 4:02 AM, Dean Vinson
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Mike,
sorry about that. Both of the photos I’d previously
attached were looking generally southward but from
different vantage points. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Here’s a
collage of Google aerial photos to hopefully help
explain a little better. My earlier 2014 picture was
taken from down near where the big walnut tree is, but
the 2019 picture was taken from way up close to the
house (farther north than the osage bramble had ever
been).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dean</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:windowtext"> AT [<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike M<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 5, 2019 9:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Dean,
could you clarify what direction we're looking in, were
the two larger trees buried in the brambles? I'm terrible
at deciphering directions. Where is the Farmall parked in
comparison to the old and new picture?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Mike M<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">About five years ago I started
clearing out an old osage orange hedgerow, maybe 150
yards long, that hadn’t been tended in many decades.
Lots of time with the chainsaw, lots of bonfires, lots
of work with the Super M dragging logs and pulling roots
and hauling firewood, lots of work with the JD 620 and
rear blade grading and smoothing. Yesterday I had a
crew plant eight new red maple trees on the same line
where the osage trees had been, and this afternoon I got
the Super M out again to haul trashcans full of water
back to them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The top half of the attached photo is
the 2014 view, showing one of my first bonfires as I
began clearing out the osage and honeysuckle and
briars. My goal back then was just to clear out some
breathing space around a nice mature walnut tree that
I’d discovered earlier that year after noticing its top
sticking up above the canopy of the older but shorter
osage trees. It’s not visible in the photo but it’d be
to the right of the bonfire. After a couple of years
of occasional trimming and cleanup and thinning out, I
set my sights on removing the hedgerow completely.
(There’s also another one, but I’m just cleaning it up
and will keep many of the big trees).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The bottom half of the attached photo
is the view from a few hours ago. The mass of trees
and brambles from the top photo had been just to the
left of the little gravel lane behind where the tractor
is now sitting. The tall trees behind the tractor had
all managed to survive despite being engulfed by the
sprawling osages; the dark one in the middle is the big
walnut I’d first started clearing out around five years
earlier. Interesting that those trees all lean
slightly away from where the osages had been. The new
maples, hardly visible since they’re small, are dead on
the centerline of the original hedgerow.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Will be interesting to see how the
new trees do over time. It’s been fun, sort of,
plugging away at that scraggly old hedgerow over the
years, and darn nice to have a couple old tractors to
help.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dean Vinson<o:p></o:p></p>
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