[AT] OT stamping press pits
Phil Auten
pga2 at basicisp.net
Thu Dec 12 10:07:47 PST 2019
In this area of central Texas it seems to be running about $3k/acre. I
sure wouldn't seel mine for that!
Phil in TX
On 12/12/2019 11:17 AM, Mike M wrote:
> Good tillable land around here that's already cleared is about $7500
> per acre around here.
>
> Mike M
>
>
> On 12/12/2019 11:44 AM, macowboy wrote:
>> Steve,
>>
>> I see that now. Reading the list emails off my phone is tough due to
>> the font being so small😀.
>>
>> What does good tillable land cost per acre in other parts of the
>> country? My good friend here grew up on 6 section farm near
>> Hastings, Nebraska. His father encouraged all the siblings to move
>> out as the margins kept shrinking. He said you have to get very big
>> nowadays and now with the costs , this now makes sense. They had a
>> mixed operation of cattle, corn and soybeans. BTW, he can spot an
>> antique tractor and identify it before I can see it. He spent a lot
>> of time on a Farmall H and M. The last IH he drove at the family farm
>> was a IH 7488.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Thomson
>> 401-339-6902
>> Rehoboth, MA
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy , an AT&T LTE smartphone
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com>
>> Date: 12/12/19 10:49 AM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT stamping press pits
>>
>> Jim, that figure of $200 per acre is an annual rent to farm it, not
>> to purchase it.
>>
>> SO
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 10:22 AM macowboy <macowboy at comcast.net
>> <mailto:macowboy at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>> I would love to see $200/acre prices here. A 8 acre lot behind us
>> with maybe a 1/2 acre buildable, the untouchable wet lands sold
>> for$150,000! It was bought by a builder who is putting a giant
>> 4000 sqft spec house on it. Our property taxes will be going up
>> again. So far,we are up 25% in 9 years. This affecting a lot of
>> fixed income retirees. My wife volunteers at the senior center in
>> town and some are packing up and moving out. One of her former
>> volunteers moved to western Virginia, bought a nice home with
>> barns and out buildings on 10 acres and pays$700/ year property
>> tax. Things have changed drastically here.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Thomson
>> 401-339-6902
>> Rehoboth, MA
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy , an AT&T LTE smartphone
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net
>> <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>>
>> Date: 12/12/19 7:56 AM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT stamping press pits
>>
>> Just my $0.02, but this housing bubble is going to burst and soon
>> ( relative word ). I am going to be like my old Daddy and hold
>> on tight to my money...
>> Cecil
>>
>> On 12/12/2019 6:25 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote:
>>> Actually about $200 an acre is pretty much the standard here in
>>> Central Indiana right now for good tillable land (corn / soybean
>>> ground).
>>> Here is a part of an article from a local digital local
>>> newspaper about a week ago, describing some county owned
>>> property about a mile south west of me:
>>> ********
>>>
>>>
>>> County Farm Ground Purchased Over 170 Years Ago Now Generates
>>> Income
>>>
>>> Shelby County farm ground that is once again up for lease has a
>>> long and storied history. Shelby County Commissioners will hold
>>> open bidding for a two-year lease on two tracts of ground a week
>>> from today. One tract is 196.8 acres of tillable land, located
>>> at Shelby Manor in Shelby Township. The second tract is 230.9
>>> acres of tillable land at the Tindall Farm, also in Shelby Township.
>>> ********
>>> I should see the results very soon. It typically runs high rent.
>>> I don't follow it closely but the last one I read about a year
>>> or two ago was $278 an acre per year. It "might" be lower this
>>> time since some guys are running pretty tight right now and a
>>> number of progressive farmers that often skated quite close to
>>> the edge fell over that edge...
>>> ******
>>> A tiny place just at the north of our farm that had belonged to
>>> the late mother of a 1960 classmate just sold in the last 30
>>> days. As in many such homes she had been unable to keep up with
>>> repairs for quite a few years and it was not much of a house to
>>> start with. It had about 9 acres, with maybe 1 acre tillable if
>>> you cut some brush and little of it is flat. It could be made
>>> suitable for a few horses etc. It has an older smallish pole
>>> barn and an old fair sized chicken house.
>>> Some real estate guy bought it to flip... They painted the pole
>>> barn and chicken house and cleared a little brush. They had to
>>> take down the 1 car attached garage because it was sitting on
>>> the septic tank. They put up a detached 2.5 car garage near one
>>> corner of the house and did a "remodel" of the house including
>>> an unimpressive porch on the front, a new metal roof and new
>>> siding. Diana and I stopped and looked in a few windows one day
>>> after the for sale sign went up. It looked nice but without a
>>> quality house of size to start with it was kind of an odd
>>> layout. Don't get me wrong, I would live in it but it was not a
>>> Chip and Joanna Gaines project. 😀 It looks "nice" from the
>>> road with "nice" being a flexible word. It still screams, "I am
>>> a very bland, nondescript, small, old house that has been
>>> remodeled very plainly and still looks like a cheap house".
>>> I guess it did what they wanted... Listed price was $329,000 and
>>> I understand from my friend that it sold at about $2,000 over
>>> asking...
>>> ********
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:37 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com
>>> <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> After further research through Michigan State University, I
>>> need to
>>> revise that figure, down a bit. A lot of the price is
>>> dependent on
>>> whether the field is tiled and that it drains well. A more
>>> realistic
>>> price is around $130 per acre.
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>> On 12/11/2019 11:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote:
>>> > Wow!! $200/acre!! That is a lot compared to Oklahoma.
>>> Pasture is
>>> > $10/acre, and farmland $20 to $35/acre.... I am sitting
>>> on 80 acres
>>> > here, right next to me on the West the 80 Sold for
>>> $5K/acre. If I
>>> > sold, I would have to move and then pay the Guvmint most
>>> of it.... It
>>> > took way too long to build those buildings to start
>>> over... However,
>>> > it is getting so crowded that we cannot get any farm
>>> ground to grow
>>> > hay on. Thses City folks move out here and some have 25
>>> to 40 acres.
>>> > They want it mowed 5 times a year when they rent it to us
>>> for hay!!!
>>> > Then they want it looking like a golf course over the
>>> winter. Nothing
>>> > to catch the blowing snow....
>>> > Cecil
>>> >
>>> > On 12/11/2019 10:04 PM, Mike M wrote:
>>> >> Why would anyone do something so stupid? 200 acres would
>>> command almost
>>> >> $40,000 per year in rent for your heirs. You'd really be
>>> screwing
>>> >> them over.
>>> >>
>>> >> Mike M
>>> >>
>>> >> On 12/11/2019 10:46 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net
>>> <mailto:szabelski at wildblue.net> wrote:
>>> >>> In our township they passed an ordnance that requires
>>> you to have a
>>> >>> minimum of 10 acres in order to build, unless the
>>> property was
>>> >>> smaller than that prior to the passing of the ordnance.
>>> If it was,
>>> >>> you can build on it. This was done to keep developers
>>> from coming in
>>> >>> and cramming 20 Houses on a 10 acre parcel.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> In addition, here in Michigan, the local power utility
>>> has (had???)
>>> >>> a program to slow down urban sprawl and keep the power
>>> consumption
>>> >>> from getting out of hand. If you have a large parcel of
>>> land that
>>> >>> you are not farming, you can put that land into a land
>>> bank with the
>>> >>> utility. They will plant the property with trees and you
>>> agree not
>>> >>> to do any development on the property for something like
>>> the next 50
>>> >>> or 100 years. Your heirs would be legally bound by this
>>> agreement.
>>> >>> Don’t know how taxes are handled. If I remember right,
>>> you need
>>> >>> something like 100 acres to participate.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Can’t say how successful they’ve been with this to date.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Carl
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>>
>>> >>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> >>> Sent: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 17:13:25 -0500 (EST)
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT stamping press pits
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi Farmer,
>>> >>> I live in Michigan, and here, provided the farm has been
>>> in existence
>>> >>> long enough, you can have it declared a Centennial Farm.
>>> What it boils
>>> >>> down to is it can be sold, but must remain in farming of
>>> some sort, and
>>> >>> not made into a subdivision. There are also tax
>>> incentives if I'm not
>>> >>> mistaken.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mike M
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 12/11/2019 5:00 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote:
>>> >>>> I have done my share of "temporary" installations that
>>> may have been a
>>> >>>> little shaky as is common for old school farmers but my
>>> general plan
>>> >>>> most of my life has been to do things "code +" or to be
>>> more
>>> >>>> technical, "Hell for stout"... 😀
>>> >>>> I do find myself being less concerned these days about
>>> making sure
>>> >>>> that what I do will last 100 years. I'm still
>>> optimistic enough to
>>> >>>> pretend that I still need a 5 year plan but my old
>>> concept of a 20
>>> >>>> year plan doesn't carry a lot of weight.
>>> >>>> There are several reasons for that. The first is pretty
>>> obvious, one
>>> >>>> of those other reasons is that the farm I put my blood,
>>> sweat and
>>> >>>> tears in since 1951, which was a couple of miles out in
>>> the country is
>>> >>>> now only about a quarter mile across a creek from a
>>> rapidly moving
>>> >>>> city limits... Land around me that I grew up farming
>>> either as rented
>>> >>>> land or as custom work is now infested with houses...
>>> The chances of
>>> >>>> this place falling victim to the bulldozers just keeps
>>> increasing. In
>>> >>>> recent years the words "eminent domain" are getting
>>> tossed around more
>>> >>>> and more freely. (shrug)...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> .
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:40 AM Stephen Offiler
>>> <soffiler at gmail.com <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com>
>>> >>>> <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Service pits are just pits. Stamping press pits
>>> support very
>>> >>>> large, very heavy equipment that creates high
>>> shock and vibration
>>> >>>> in service, enough to literally shake the ground,
>>> hence the
>>> >>>> recommendation for a soil study.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> SO
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:17 AM Aaron Dickinson
>>> >>>> <a_dickinson at att.net <mailto:a_dickinson at att.net>
>>> <mailto:a_dickinson at att.net <mailto:a_dickinson at att.net>>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I supect most service pits are shallow enough
>>> to not
>>> >>>> require a
>>> >>>> geotechnical report, however any building
>>> project’s
>>> >>>> foundation
>>> >>>> design (including service pits) is based on
>>> soil bearing
>>> >>>> capacity (at residential level often done by
>>> visiual or
>>> >>>> typical for area). When it doubt build for the
>>> lesser
>>> >>>> bearing.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> *From:* James Peck
>>> <mailto:jamesgpeck at hotmail.com <mailto:jamesgpeck at hotmail.com>>
>>> >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 11, 2019
>>> 12:36 AM
>>> >>>> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>>> >>>> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I believe Cecil mentioned he was involved with
>>> things
>>> >>>> geotechnical. This talks about having a
>>> geotechnical report
>>> >>>> before designing a stamping press pit.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> https://www.stampingjournal-digital.com/stampingjournal/20191112/MobilePagedReplica.action?pm=1&folio=26#pg26
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I wonder if such a report is used in designing
>>> tractor
>>> >>>> dealership service shops.
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>>> >>>> Francis Robinson
>>> >>>> aka "farmer"
>>> >>>> Central Indiana USA
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