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<p>In this area of central Texas it seems to be running about
$3k/acre. I sure wouldn't seel mine for that!</p>
<p>Phil in TX<br>
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Good tillable land around here that's already cleared is about
$7500 per acre around here.<br>
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<div dir="auto">What does good tillable land cost per acre in
other parts of the country? My good friend here grew up on 6
section farm near Hastings, Nebraska. His father encouraged
all the siblings to move out as the margins kept shrinking. He
said you have to get very big nowadays and now with the costs
, this now makes sense. They had a mixed operation of cattle,
corn and soybeans. BTW, he can spot an antique tractor and
identify it before I can see it. He spent a lot of time on a
Farmall H and M. The last IH he drove at the family farm was a
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<div dir="ltr">Jim, that figure of $200 per acre is an annual
rent to farm it, not to purchase it.
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10:22 AM macowboy <<a href="mailto:macowboy@comcast.net"
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<div dir="auto">I would love to see $200/acre prices here.
A 8 acre lot behind us with maybe a 1/2 acre buildable,
the untouchable wet lands sold for$150,000! It was
bought by a builder who is putting a giant 4000 sqft
spec house on it. Our property taxes will be going up
again. So far,we are up 25% in 9 years. This affecting a
lot of fixed income retirees. My wife volunteers at the
senior center in town and some are packing up and moving
out. One of her former volunteers moved to western
Virginia, bought a nice home with barns and out
buildings on 10 acres and pays$700/ year property tax.
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<p>Just my $0.02, but this housing bubble is going to
burst and soon ( relative word ). I am going to be like
my old Daddy and hold on tight to my money... <br>
Cecil<br>
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<div>Actually about $200 an acre is pretty much the
standard here in Central Indiana right now for good
tillable land (corn / soybean ground).</div>
<div>Here is a part of an article from a local digital
local newspaper about a week ago, describing some
county owned property about a mile south west of me:</div>
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valign="top"> Shelby County farm
ground that is once again up for
lease has a long and storied
history. Shelby County Commissioners
will hold open bidding for a
two-year lease on two tracts of
ground a week from today. One tract
is 196.8 acres of tillable land,
located at Shelby Manor in Shelby
Township. The second tract is 230.9
acres of tillable land at the
Tindall Farm, also in Shelby
Township.<br>
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I should see the results very soon.
It typically runs high rent. I don't
follow it closely but the last one I
read about a year or two ago was
$278 an acre per year. It "might" be
lower this time since some guys are
running pretty tight right now and a
number of progressive farmers that
often skated quite close to the edge
fell over that edge...<br>
******<br>
A tiny place just at the north of
our farm that had belonged to the
late mother of a 1960 classmate just
sold in the last 30 days. As in many
such homes she had been unable to
keep up with repairs for quite a few
years and it was not much of a house
to start with. It had about 9 acres,
with maybe 1 acre tillable if you
cut some brush and little of it is
flat. It could be made suitable for
a few horses etc. It has an older
smallish pole barn and an old fair
sized chicken house.<br>
Some real estate guy bought it to
flip... They painted the pole barn
and chicken house and cleared a
little brush. They had to take down
the 1 car attached garage because it
was sitting on the septic tank. They
put up a detached 2.5 car garage
near one corner of the house and did
a "remodel" of the house including
an unimpressive porch on the front,
a new metal roof and new siding.
Diana and I stopped and looked in a
few windows one day after the for
sale sign went up. It looked nice
but without a quality house of size
to start with it was kind of an odd
layout. Don't get me wrong, I would
live in it but it was not a Chip and
Joanna Gaines project. 😀 It looks
"nice" from the road with "nice"
being a flexible word. It still
screams, "I am a very bland,
nondescript, small, old house that
has been remodeled very plainly and
still looks like a cheap house".<br>
I guess it did what they wanted...
Listed price was $329,000 and I
understand from my friend that it
sold at about $2,000 over asking...<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 11, 2019
at 11:37 PM Mike M <<a
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">After further
research through Michigan State University, I need
to<br>
revise that figure, down a bit. A lot of the price
is dependent on<br>
whether the field is tiled and that it drains well.
A more realistic<br>
price is around $130 per acre.<br>
<br>
Mike M<br>
<br>
On 12/11/2019 11:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote:<br>
> Wow!! $200/acre!! That is a lot compared to
Oklahoma. Pasture is<br>
> $10/acre, and farmland $20 to $35/acre.... I
am sitting on 80 acres<br>
> here, right next to me on the West the 80 Sold
for $5K/acre. If I<br>
> sold, I would have to move and then pay the
Guvmint most of it.... It<br>
> took way too long to build those buildings to
start over... However,<br>
> it is getting so crowded that we cannot get any
farm ground to grow<br>
> hay on. Thses City folks move out here and
some have 25 to 40 acres. <br>
> They want it mowed 5 times a year when they
rent it to us for hay!!! <br>
> Then they want it looking like a golf course
over the winter. Nothing<br>
> to catch the blowing snow....<br>
> Cecil<br>
><br>
> On 12/11/2019 10:04 PM, Mike M wrote:<br>
>> Why would anyone do something so stupid?
200 acres would command almost<br>
>> $40,000 per year in rent for your heirs.
You'd really be screwing<br>
>> them over.<br>
>><br>
>> Mike M<br>
>><br>
>> On 12/11/2019 10:46 PM, <a
href="mailto:szabelski@wildblue.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">szabelski@wildblue.net</a>
wrote:<br>
>>> In our township they passed an ordnance
that requires you to have a<br>
>>> minimum of 10 acres in order to build,
unless the property was<br>
>>> smaller than that prior to the passing
of the ordnance. If it was,<br>
>>> you can build on it. This was done to
keep developers from coming in<br>
>>> and cramming 20 Houses on a 10 acre
parcel.<br>
>>><br>
>>> In addition, here in Michigan, the
local power utility has (had???)<br>
>>> a program to slow down urban sprawl and
keep the power consumption<br>
>>> from getting out of hand. If you have a
large parcel of land that<br>
>>> you are not farming, you can put that
land into a land bank with the<br>
>>> utility. They will plant the property
with trees and you agree not<br>
>>> to do any development on the property
for something like the next 50<br>
>>> or 100 years. Your heirs would be
legally bound by this agreement.<br>
>>> Don’t know how taxes are handled. If I
remember right, you need<br>
>>> something like 100 acres to
participate.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Can’t say how successful they’ve been
with this to date.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Carl<br>
>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>> From: Mike M <<a
href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">meulenms@gmx.com</a>><br>
>>> To: <a
href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
>>> Sent: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 17:13:25 -0500
(EST)<br>
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT stamping press
pits<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi Farmer,<br>
>>> I live in Michigan, and here, provided
the farm has been in existence<br>
>>> long enough, you can have it declared a
Centennial Farm. What it boils<br>
>>> down to is it can be sold, but must
remain in farming of some sort, and<br>
>>> not made into a subdivision. There are
also tax incentives if I'm not<br>
>>> mistaken.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Mike M<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 12/11/2019 5:00 PM, Indiana Robinson
wrote:<br>
>>>> I have done my share of "temporary"
installations that may have been a<br>
>>>> little shaky as is common for old
school farmers but my general plan<br>
>>>> most of my life has been to do
things "code +" or to be more<br>
>>>> technical, "Hell for stout"...  😀<br>
>>>> I do find myself being less
concerned these days about making sure<br>
>>>> that what I do will last 100 years.
I'm still optimistic enough to<br>
>>>> pretend that I still need a 5 year
plan but my old concept of a 20<br>
>>>> year plan doesn't carry a lot of
weight.<br>
>>>> There are several reasons for that.
The first is pretty obvious, one<br>
>>>> of those other reasons is that the
farm I put my blood, sweat and<br>
>>>> tears in since 1951, which was a
couple of miles out in the country is<br>
>>>> now only about a quarter mile
across a creek from a rapidly moving<br>
>>>> city limits... Land around me that
I grew up farming either as rented<br>
>>>> land or as custom work is now
infested with houses... The chances of<br>
>>>> this place falling victim to the
bulldozers just keeps increasing. In<br>
>>>> recent years the words "eminent
domain" are getting tossed around more<br>
>>>> and more freely. (shrug)...<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> .<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:40 AM
Stephen Offiler <<a
href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">soffiler@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a
href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">soffiler@gmail.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â Service pits are just pits.Â
Stamping press pits support very<br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â large, very heavy equipment
that creates high shock and vibration<br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â in service, enough to
literally shake the ground, hence the<br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â recommendation for a soil
study.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â SO<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:17
AM Aaron Dickinson<br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â <<a
href="mailto:a_dickinson@att.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">a_dickinson@att.net</a>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:a_dickinson@att.net"
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>>>><br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I supect most service pits
are shallow enough to not<br>
>>>> require a<br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â geotechnical report,
however any building project’s<br>
>>>> foundation<br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â design (including service
pits) is based on soil bearing<br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â capacity (at residential
level often done by visiual or<br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â typical for area). When it
doubt build for the lesser<br>
>>>> bearing.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â *From:* James Peck
<mailto:<a href="mailto:jamesgpeck@hotmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jamesgpeck@hotmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>         *Sent:* ‎Wednesday‎,
‎December‎ ‎11‎, ‎2019 ‎12‎:‎36‎ ‎AM<br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â *To:* Antique Tractor
Email Discussion Group<br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â <mailto:<a
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>>>><br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I believe Cecil mentioned
he was involved with things<br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â geotechnical. This talks
about having a geotechnical report<br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â before designing a
stamping press pit.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a
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>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I wonder if such a report
is used in designing tractor<br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â dealership service shops.<br>
>>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
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aka "farmer"<br>
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