[AT] OT stamping press pits
Mike M
meulenms at gmx.com
Thu Dec 12 09:17:05 PST 2019
Good tillable land around here that's already cleared is about $7500 per
acre around here.
Mike M
On 12/12/2019 11:44 AM, macowboy wrote:
> Steve,
>
> I see that now. Reading the list emails off my phone is tough due to
> the font being so small😀.
>
> What does good tillable land cost per acre in other parts of the
> country? My good friend here grew up on 6 section farm near Hastings,
> Nebraska. His father encouraged all the siblings to move out as the
> margins kept shrinking. He said you have to get very big nowadays and
> now with the costs , this now makes sense. They had a mixed operation
> of cattle, corn and soybeans. BTW, he can spot an antique tractor
> and identify it before I can see it. He spent a lot of time on a
> Farmall H and M. The last IH he drove at the family farm was a IH 7488.
>
>
>
> Jim Thomson
> 401-339-6902
> Rehoboth, MA
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy , an AT&T LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com>
> Date: 12/12/19 10:49 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT stamping press pits
>
> Jim, that figure of $200 per acre is an annual rent to farm it, not to
> purchase it.
>
> SO
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 10:22 AM macowboy <macowboy at comcast.net
> <mailto:macowboy at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> I would love to see $200/acre prices here. A 8 acre lot behind us
> with maybe a 1/2 acre buildable, the untouchable wet lands sold
> for$150,000! It was bought by a builder who is putting a giant
> 4000 sqft spec house on it. Our property taxes will be going up
> again. So far,we are up 25% in 9 years. This affecting a lot of
> fixed income retirees. My wife volunteers at the senior center in
> town and some are packing up and moving out. One of her former
> volunteers moved to western Virginia, bought a nice home with
> barns and out buildings on 10 acres and pays$700/ year property
> tax. Things have changed drastically here.
>
>
>
> Jim Thomson
> 401-339-6902
> Rehoboth, MA
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy , an AT&T LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net
> <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>>
> Date: 12/12/19 7:56 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT stamping press pits
>
> Just my $0.02, but this housing bubble is going to burst and soon
> ( relative word ). I am going to be like my old Daddy and hold on
> tight to my money...
> Cecil
>
> On 12/12/2019 6:25 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote:
>> Actually about $200 an acre is pretty much the standard here in
>> Central Indiana right now for good tillable land (corn / soybean
>> ground).
>> Here is a part of an article from a local digital local newspaper
>> about a week ago, describing some county owned property about a
>> mile south west of me:
>> ********
>>
>>
>> County Farm Ground Purchased Over 170 Years Ago Now Generates
>> Income
>>
>> Shelby County farm ground that is once again up for lease has a
>> long and storied history. Shelby County Commissioners will hold
>> open bidding for a two-year lease on two tracts of ground a week
>> from today. One tract is 196.8 acres of tillable land, located at
>> Shelby Manor in Shelby Township. The second tract is 230.9 acres
>> of tillable land at the Tindall Farm, also in Shelby Township.
>> ********
>> I should see the results very soon. It typically runs high rent.
>> I don't follow it closely but the last one I read about a year or
>> two ago was $278 an acre per year. It "might" be lower this time
>> since some guys are running pretty tight right now and a number
>> of progressive farmers that often skated quite close to the edge
>> fell over that edge...
>> ******
>> A tiny place just at the north of our farm that had belonged to
>> the late mother of a 1960 classmate just sold in the last 30
>> days. As in many such homes she had been unable to keep up with
>> repairs for quite a few years and it was not much of a house to
>> start with. It had about 9 acres, with maybe 1 acre tillable if
>> you cut some brush and little of it is flat. It could be made
>> suitable for a few horses etc. It has an older smallish pole barn
>> and an old fair sized chicken house.
>> Some real estate guy bought it to flip... They painted the pole
>> barn and chicken house and cleared a little brush. They had to
>> take down the 1 car attached garage because it was sitting on the
>> septic tank. They put up a detached 2.5 car garage near one
>> corner of the house and did a "remodel" of the house including an
>> unimpressive porch on the front, a new metal roof and new siding.
>> Diana and I stopped and looked in a few windows one day after the
>> for sale sign went up. It looked nice but without a quality house
>> of size to start with it was kind of an odd layout. Don't get me
>> wrong, I would live in it but it was not a Chip and Joanna Gaines
>> project. 😀 It looks "nice" from the road with "nice" being a
>> flexible word. It still screams, "I am a very bland, nondescript,
>> small, old house that has been remodeled very plainly and still
>> looks like a cheap house".
>> I guess it did what they wanted... Listed price was $329,000 and
>> I understand from my friend that it sold at about $2,000 over
>> asking...
>> ********
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:37 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com
>> <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>> wrote:
>>
>> After further research through Michigan State University, I
>> need to
>> revise that figure, down a bit. A lot of the price is
>> dependent on
>> whether the field is tiled and that it drains well. A more
>> realistic
>> price is around $130 per acre.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On 12/11/2019 11:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote:
>> > Wow!! $200/acre!! That is a lot compared to Oklahoma.
>> Pasture is
>> > $10/acre, and farmland $20 to $35/acre.... I am sitting on
>> 80 acres
>> > here, right next to me on the West the 80 Sold for
>> $5K/acre. If I
>> > sold, I would have to move and then pay the Guvmint most of
>> it.... It
>> > took way too long to build those buildings to start
>> over... However,
>> > it is getting so crowded that we cannot get any farm ground
>> to grow
>> > hay on. Thses City folks move out here and some have 25 to
>> 40 acres.
>> > They want it mowed 5 times a year when they rent it to us
>> for hay!!!
>> > Then they want it looking like a golf course over the
>> winter. Nothing
>> > to catch the blowing snow....
>> > Cecil
>> >
>> > On 12/11/2019 10:04 PM, Mike M wrote:
>> >> Why would anyone do something so stupid? 200 acres would
>> command almost
>> >> $40,000 per year in rent for your heirs. You'd really be
>> screwing
>> >> them over.
>> >>
>> >> Mike M
>> >>
>> >> On 12/11/2019 10:46 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net
>> <mailto:szabelski at wildblue.net> wrote:
>> >>> In our township they passed an ordnance that requires you
>> to have a
>> >>> minimum of 10 acres in order to build, unless the
>> property was
>> >>> smaller than that prior to the passing of the ordnance.
>> If it was,
>> >>> you can build on it. This was done to keep developers
>> from coming in
>> >>> and cramming 20 Houses on a 10 acre parcel.
>> >>>
>> >>> In addition, here in Michigan, the local power utility
>> has (had???)
>> >>> a program to slow down urban sprawl and keep the power
>> consumption
>> >>> from getting out of hand. If you have a large parcel of
>> land that
>> >>> you are not farming, you can put that land into a land
>> bank with the
>> >>> utility. They will plant the property with trees and you
>> agree not
>> >>> to do any development on the property for something like
>> the next 50
>> >>> or 100 years. Your heirs would be legally bound by this
>> agreement.
>> >>> Don’t know how taxes are handled. If I remember right,
>> you need
>> >>> something like 100 acres to participate.
>> >>>
>> >>> Can’t say how successful they’ve been with this to date.
>> >>>
>> >>> Carl
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>>
>> >>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> >>> Sent: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 17:13:25 -0500 (EST)
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT stamping press pits
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Farmer,
>> >>> I live in Michigan, and here, provided the farm has been
>> in existence
>> >>> long enough, you can have it declared a Centennial Farm.
>> What it boils
>> >>> down to is it can be sold, but must remain in farming of
>> some sort, and
>> >>> not made into a subdivision. There are also tax
>> incentives if I'm not
>> >>> mistaken.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mike M
>> >>>
>> >>> On 12/11/2019 5:00 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote:
>> >>>> I have done my share of "temporary" installations that
>> may have been a
>> >>>> little shaky as is common for old school farmers but my
>> general plan
>> >>>> most of my life has been to do things "code +" or to be more
>> >>>> technical, "Hell for stout"... 😀
>> >>>> I do find myself being less concerned these days about
>> making sure
>> >>>> that what I do will last 100 years. I'm still optimistic
>> enough to
>> >>>> pretend that I still need a 5 year plan but my old
>> concept of a 20
>> >>>> year plan doesn't carry a lot of weight.
>> >>>> There are several reasons for that. The first is pretty
>> obvious, one
>> >>>> of those other reasons is that the farm I put my blood,
>> sweat and
>> >>>> tears in since 1951, which was a couple of miles out in
>> the country is
>> >>>> now only about a quarter mile across a creek from a
>> rapidly moving
>> >>>> city limits... Land around me that I grew up farming
>> either as rented
>> >>>> land or as custom work is now infested with houses...
>> The chances of
>> >>>> this place falling victim to the bulldozers just keeps
>> increasing. In
>> >>>> recent years the words "eminent domain" are getting
>> tossed around more
>> >>>> and more freely. (shrug)...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> .
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:40 AM Stephen Offiler
>> <soffiler at gmail.com <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com>
>> >>>> <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com>>>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Service pits are just pits. Stamping press pits
>> support very
>> >>>> large, very heavy equipment that creates high shock
>> and vibration
>> >>>> in service, enough to literally shake the ground,
>> hence the
>> >>>> recommendation for a soil study.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> SO
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:17 AM Aaron Dickinson
>> >>>> <a_dickinson at att.net <mailto:a_dickinson at att.net>
>> <mailto:a_dickinson at att.net <mailto:a_dickinson at att.net>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I supect most service pits are shallow enough
>> to not
>> >>>> require a
>> >>>> geotechnical report, however any building project’s
>> >>>> foundation
>> >>>> design (including service pits) is based on
>> soil bearing
>> >>>> capacity (at residential level often done by
>> visiual or
>> >>>> typical for area). When it doubt build for the
>> lesser
>> >>>> bearing.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> *From:* James Peck
>> <mailto:jamesgpeck at hotmail.com <mailto:jamesgpeck at hotmail.com>>
>> >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 11, 2019
>> 12:36 AM
>> >>>> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>> >>>> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I believe Cecil mentioned he was involved with
>> things
>> >>>> geotechnical. This talks about having a
>> geotechnical report
>> >>>> before designing a stamping press pit.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> https://www.stampingjournal-digital.com/stampingjournal/20191112/MobilePagedReplica.action?pm=1&folio=26#pg26
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I wonder if such a report is used in designing
>> tractor
>> >>>> dealership service shops.
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>> >>>> Francis Robinson
>> >>>> aka "farmer"
>> >>>> Central Indiana USA
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