[AT] OT stamping press pits
szabelski at wildblue.net
szabelski at wildblue.net
Thu Dec 12 07:41:34 PST 2019
As I said in my follow on response, l did a quick check and they apparently no longer have this program. Probably due to low participation (???).
However, that would not really be a problem here in Michigan in certain areas. In our northern areas, especially the upper peninsular, the land is cheap and a lot of it is not very good for farming, pretty wet low areas (can you say swampy). A lot of it it is sold in large 100+ parcels for hunting, or that remote get away cabin that you can only get to for maybe two months out of the year.
The state holds yearly closed bid land auctions of properties it acquires and can’t use. There is one going on at this time. Some of these can be large parcels that are landlocked and would hinder any real usage unless you can really get in good with the neighbors. I’m guessing that some of these large landlocked parcels were obtained because the owners couldn’t find a buyer and just decided to let the state take it for taxes instead of continuing to pay for something they couldn’t use.
I’ve checked these auctions in the past and was surprised to find that they even offer small parcels in developed communities that have already been fully built up with houses and paved roads. Can’t say if somebody bought they parcel and then couldn’t afforded to build a house, or if the developer just sold all they could and then
let the state take the few parcels they couldn’t sell to avoid shelling out any of their profits in taxes.
Where we live we paid $30M for our 10 acres, 5 cleared and 5 old growth trees. That was 20 years ago. Now a 10 acre parcel is going for over $90+ for 10 acres of clear land. Some of the older homes in the area that were built in the 60’s, or are all that remain of the original farm, are selling for over $300M for 5 acres.
My wife is currently upset because somebody is putting up a prefab house on one of the 2-1/2 acres next to us. We moved out her to get away from the over crowding in the city and to enjoy the quietness of the area. Our nearest neighbor was over 600 feet away and we couldn’t see any other houses unless we went up to the second floor, or the leaves on the trees fell in the fall. During the summer from the second floor we could see one house half a mile away. When the leaves fell we could see parts of the house down the road. Now my wife is talking about a pole barn to block the view of the prefab house so she can’t see it. Just what I need, another project!!!!
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
Sent: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 23:04:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [AT] OT stamping press pits
Why would anyone do something so stupid? 200 acres would command almost
$40,000 per year in rent for your heirs. You'd really be screwing them over.
Mike M
On 12/11/2019 10:46 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote:
> In our township they passed an ordnance that requires you to have a minimum of 10 acres in order to build, unless the property was smaller than that prior to the passing of the ordnance. If it was, you can build on it. This was done to keep developers from coming in and cramming 20 Houses on a 10 acre parcel.
>
> In addition, here in Michigan, the local power utility has (had???) a program to slow down urban sprawl and keep the power consumption from getting out of hand. If you have a large parcel of land that you are not farming, you can put that land into a land bank with the utility. They will plant the property with trees and you agree not to do any development on the property for something like the next 50 or 100 years. Your heirs would be legally bound by this agreement. Don’t know how taxes are handled. If I remember right, you need something like 100 acres to participate.
>
> Can’t say how successful they’ve been with this to date.
>
> Carl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> Sent: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 17:13:25 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT stamping press pits
>
> Hi Farmer,
> I live in Michigan, and here, provided the farm has been in existence
> long enough, you can have it declared a Centennial Farm. What it boils
> down to is it can be sold, but must remain in farming of some sort, and
> not made into a subdivision. There are also tax incentives if I'm not
> mistaken.
>
> Mike M
>
> On 12/11/2019 5:00 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote:
>> I have done my share of "temporary" installations that may have been a
>> little shaky as is common for old school farmers but my general plan
>> most of my life has been to do things "code +" or to be more
>> technical, "Hell for stout"... 😀
>> I do find myself being less concerned these days about making sure
>> that what I do will last 100 years. I'm still optimistic enough to
>> pretend that I still need a 5 year plan but my old concept of a 20
>> year plan doesn't carry a lot of weight.
>> There are several reasons for that. The first is pretty obvious, one
>> of those other reasons is that the farm I put my blood, sweat and
>> tears in since 1951, which was a couple of miles out in the country is
>> now only about a quarter mile across a creek from a rapidly moving
>> city limits... Land around me that I grew up farming either as rented
>> land or as custom work is now infested with houses... The chances of
>> this place falling victim to the bulldozers just keeps increasing. In
>> recent years the words "eminent domain" are getting tossed around more
>> and more freely. (shrug)...
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:40 AM Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com
>> <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Service pits are just pits. Stamping press pits support very
>> large, very heavy equipment that creates high shock and vibration
>> in service, enough to literally shake the ground, hence the
>> recommendation for a soil study.
>>
>> SO
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:17 AM Aaron Dickinson
>> <a_dickinson at att.net <mailto:a_dickinson at att.net>> wrote:
>>
>> I supect most service pits are shallow enough to not require a
>> geotechnical report, however any building project’s foundation
>> design (including service pits) is based on soil bearing
>> capacity (at residential level often done by visiual or
>> typical for area). When it doubt build for the lesser bearing.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* James Peck <mailto:jamesgpeck at hotmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 11, 2019 12:36 AM
>> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>
>> I believe Cecil mentioned he was involved with things
>> geotechnical. This talks about having a geotechnical report
>> before designing a stamping press pit.
>>
>> https://www.stampingjournal-digital.com/stampingjournal/20191112/MobilePagedReplica.action?pm=1&folio=26#pg26
>>
>> I wonder if such a report is used in designing tractor
>> dealership service shops.
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com <mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com <mailto:AT at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>>
>> Francis Robinson
>> aka "farmer"
>> Central Indiana USA
>> robinson46176 at gmail.com <mailto:robinson46176 at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> AT at lists.antique-tractor.com
> http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
AT at lists.antique-tractor.com
http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com
More information about the AT
mailing list