[AT] Dealing with landlords when needing rented land
Cecil Bearden
crbearden at copper.net
Wed May 18 10:36:35 PDT 2022
There are too many groups making too much money on this housing boom for
that to ever happen in this state. Oklahoma is next to last in
healthcare, education, and income for its residents. It is too easy to
run over everybody. Oklahoma is a very good place to be from, as far
from it as you can get!!
Cecil
On 5/18/2022 8:16 AM, Carl Szabelski wrote:
> In Michigan, we can put land into essentially a land bank by agreeing
> to plant the land with trees under a program with the state and local
> utility. The land has to remain untouched for a hundred years. It’s an
> effort to slow development and keep utility needs from growing out of
> hand.
>
> Carl
>
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022, Mogrits <mogrits at gmail.com
> <mailto:mogrits at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Our county is booming. We live in the last undeveloped corner of
> it. It's been family farms forever, admittedly small in the
> 100-200 acre range, some larger via lease agreements etc for beef,
> one dairy, and feed production. We are living on a small carveout
> from my family's original land grant and have a small almost
> contiguous parcel from the same piece. Cousins etc have carved it
> up and hold some and sold other pieces. Two cousins just listed
> and sold 40 acres for almost 15k/acre without the courtesy of a
> phone call before listing it. They don't care, don't live instate
> and the pines aren't big enough to cut yet. It's happening all
> around us.
>
> Some of us looked into incorporating a town to try a form of
> density management but alas, our State law requires a population
> level we don't meet yet. I'll be watching these numbers climb and
> hopefully we can do it once we reach "critical mass", which is 300
> people/square mile. I'm a big property rights guy but damn all
> these people with no connection to this land and this place are
> working on me.
>
> All politics aside I just want to be left alone, and never thought
> I'd turn into my Grandfather, much less my father. I also worry
> for my Grandchildren and am sad they will miss out on the country
> I knew. Part of getting old I guess.
>
> Warren
>
> On Sun, May 15, 2022 at 10:41 PM Carl Szabelski
> <c.s.szabelski at gmail.com <mailto:c.s.szabelski at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> In order to be considered a Centennial Farm, the farm has to
> be in your family for the required duration, not that it’s
> been a farm for all that time under different families. It
> also has to have been a working farm for that duration, not
> just idle land. Also, it can be developed if there are no
> family members interested in doing any further farming and it
> is sold out of the family, like to a developer. You have to
> apply for the Centennial Farm sign that is placed on the
> property and prove that the farm has been worked by the family
> all the time. Not a difficult process, just paperwork and
> family history information. The sign is just a status symbol
> to inspire continued farming by local families. It can even be
> customized to include your family name. You can even apply for
> Sesquicentennial and Bicentennial status if your family has
> had the farm for the required time. The farm only has to be 10
> acres.
>
> Carl
>
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022, Mark Johnson
> <markjohnson100 at centurylink.net
> <mailto:markjohnson100 at centurylink.net>> wrote:
>
> One o' these days, development folks are going to realize
> that it doesn't matter if you have a nice house and a
> nearby strip mall if you don't have anything to eat.
>
> Mark J
>
> (shared owner of 2 Indiana farms, mostly planted in trees
> but with about 100 acres of croppable land)
>
> On 5/14/2022 10:27 PM, Mike M wrote:
>> In Michigan, you can elect to have your long term farm in
>> to a "Centennial Farm" it can never be developed and
>> must always be be farmed. You would receive a huge
>> property tax break, but could never be developed .
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/14/2022 4:35 PM, ustonThomas Mehrkam wrote:
>>> Yep. I am on my grandfather's farm in Waller. Retired
>>> moved house on the place. Built a 48x75 shop. Well
>>> septic power.
>>>
>>> Running cattle and producing Hay. Now the land around me
>>> is being sold and developed. 1200 acres here 2400 acres
>>> there both residential and commercial. All roads under
>>> construction.
>>>
>>> 😫
>>>
>>> Houston is moving to Waller. 😠
>>>
>>> Should have Retired 200 miles out instead of only 60.
>>> Land is selling for $7500 per acre.
>>>
>>> Probably Californians 👿
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 1:55 PM, Cecil Bearden
>>> <crbearden at copper.net> wrote:
>>> This just a rant, but I gotta spill it..
>>> > I just found my landlords daughter mowing the best
>>> area on the lease I
>>> > have so she can run her horses on it. This 6 acre
>>> spot last year
>>> > produced 60 bales. I had fertilized it heavily
>>> for the last 3
>>> > years. It is on the 110 acres I have leased under
>>> written contract
>>> > which specifies that any changes have to be made
>>> in writing 30 days in
>>> > advance. I am supposed to roll over because she
>>> is losing her place
>>> > for her horses after she moved here from texas.
>>> She thinks she is
>>> > going to make enough giving riding lessons to pay
>>> for the upkeep of
>>> > these 3 horses. I have to lease hay ground to
>>> have enough hay for my
>>> > cattle. Due to the drought here, I have sold a
>>> bunch and need to sell
>>> > 1/2 of what is left. Now, I lose another 5 acres
>>> or more, fencing has
>>> > not been put up yet. For some worthless horses.
>>> The loss of the area
>>> > is going to cost the equivalent of 30 bales of
>>> hay. Last year hay was
>>> > $50/bale. It will probably be $75 this year.
>>>
>>> I have another 30 acres rented that adjoins my farm
>>> to the south. The
>>> landowner decided to dump 2 truckloads of dirt on
>>> one of the better
>>> producing areas so his kids could have something to
>>> shoot 22 rifles
>>> into. Not concerned that my cattle were only 300
>>> ft from the fence
>>> line in the line of fire. I don't think they ever
>>> used the pile, but it
>>> became a source of weeds for 300 ft north of that pile.
>>>
>>> I lost a 160 acre field 3 years ago when a big
>>> farmer decided he wanted
>>> it and accused me of not taking care of the place.
>>> It turned out that
>>> the heir I was dealing with was accepting payment
>>> and not sharing with
>>> the other heirs. I lost the field and picked up
>>> the one that was being
>>> mowed today. The loss of the 160 was the very
>>> reason I wanted a
>>> written contract on any future rentals. Now I was
>>> informed that since
>>> this 110 acres is owned by 2 brothers they are
>>> surveying it next week to
>>> split it up between their heirs. Land here is going
>>> for over $5000/acre
>>> in large parcels. The heirs won't be able to list
>>> it for sale fast enough.
>>>
>>> Unless I move 70 miles to the south on the farm that
>>> has been rented out
>>> for over 20 years, my farming and cattle raising
>>> days are over. By
>>> the time I could get things sold to move this boom
>>> will be gone....
>>>
>>> We have so many people moving in here from the crazy
>>> states I don't even
>>> recognize my state any more....
>>>
>>> Cecil in OK
>>>
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