[AT] Dealing with landlords when needing rented land

Wed May 18 06:16:20 PDT 2022

In Michigan, we can put land into essentially a land bank by agreeing to
plant the land with trees under a program with the state and local utility.
The land has to remain untouched for a hundred years. It’s an effort to
slow development and keep utility needs from growing out of hand.

Carl

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022, Mogrits <mogrits at gmail.com> wrote:

> Our county is booming. We live in the last undeveloped corner of it. It's
> been family farms forever, admittedly small in the 100-200 acre range, some
> larger via lease agreements etc for beef, one dairy, and feed production.
> We are living on a small carveout from my family's original land grant and
> have a small almost contiguous parcel from the same piece. Cousins etc have
> carved it up and hold some and sold other pieces. Two cousins just listed
> and sold 40 acres for almost 15k/acre without the courtesy of a phone call
> before listing it. They don't care, don't live instate and the pines aren't
> big enough to cut yet. It's happening all around us.
>
> Some of us looked into incorporating a town to try a form of density
> management but alas, our State law requires a population level we don't
> meet yet. I'll be watching these numbers climb and hopefully we can do it
> once we reach "critical mass", which is 300 people/square mile. I'm a big
> property rights guy but damn all these people with no connection to this
> land and this place are working on me.
>
> All politics aside I just want to be left alone, and never thought I'd
> turn into my Grandfather, much less my father. I also worry for my
> Grandchildren and am sad they will miss out on the country I knew. Part of
> getting old I guess.
>
> Warren
>
> On Sun, May 15, 2022 at 10:41 PM Carl Szabelski <c.s.szabelski at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> In order to be considered a Centennial Farm, the farm has to be in your
>> family for the required duration, not that it’s been a farm for all that
>> time under different families. It also has to have been a working farm for
>> that duration, not just idle land. Also, it can be developed if there are
>> no family members interested in doing any further farming and it is sold
>> out of the family, like to a developer. You have to apply for the
>> Centennial Farm sign that is placed on the property and prove that the farm
>> has been worked by the family all the time. Not a difficult process, just
>> paperwork and family history information. The sign is just a status symbol
>> to inspire continued farming by local families. It can even be customized
>> to include your family name. You can even apply for Sesquicentennial and
>> Bicentennial status if your family has had the farm for the required time.
>> The farm only has to be 10 acres.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022, Mark Johnson <markjohnson100 at centurylink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> One o' these days, development folks are going to realize that it
>>> doesn't matter if you have a nice house and a nearby strip mall if you
>>> don't have anything to eat.
>>>
>>> Mark J
>>>
>>> (shared owner of 2 Indiana farms, mostly planted in trees but with about
>>> 100 acres of croppable land)
>>> On 5/14/2022 10:27 PM, Mike M wrote:
>>>
>>> In Michigan, you can elect  to have your long term farm in to a
>>> "Centennial Farm" it can never be developed  and must always be be farmed.
>>> You would receive a huge property tax break, but could never be developed .
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/14/2022 4:35 PM, ustonThomas Mehrkam wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep. I am on my grandfather's farm in Waller. Retired moved house on the
>>> place. Built a 48x75 shop. Well septic power.
>>>
>>> Running cattle and producing Hay. Now the land around me is being sold
>>> and developed. 1200 acres here 2400 acres there both residential and
>>> commercial. All roads under construction.
>>>
>>> 😫
>>>
>>> Houston is moving to Waller. 😠
>>>
>>> Should have Retired 200 miles out instead of only 60. Land is selling
>>> for $7500 per acre.
>>>
>>> Probably Californians 👿
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 1:55 PM, Cecil Bearden
>>> <crbearden at copper.net> wrote:
>>> This just a rant, but I gotta spill it..
>>> > I just found my landlords daughter mowing the best area on the lease I
>>> > have so she can run her horses on it.  This 6 acre spot last year
>>> > produced 60 bales.   I had fertilized it heavily for the last 3
>>> > years.  It is on the 110 acres I have leased under written contract
>>> > which specifies that any changes have to be made in writing 30 days in
>>> > advance.  I am supposed to roll over because she is losing her place
>>> > for her horses after she moved here from texas.   She thinks she is
>>> > going to make enough giving riding lessons to pay for the upkeep of
>>> > these 3 horses.   I have to lease hay ground to have enough hay for my
>>> > cattle.  Due to the drought here, I have sold a bunch and need to sell
>>> > 1/2 of what is left. Now, I lose another 5 acres or more, fencing has
>>> > not been put up yet.  For some worthless horses.  The loss of the area
>>> > is going to cost the equivalent of 30 bales of hay.  Last year hay was
>>> > $50/bale.  It will probably be $75 this year.
>>>
>>> I have another 30 acres rented that adjoins my farm to the south.   The
>>> landowner decided to dump 2 truckloads of dirt on one of the better
>>> producing areas so his kids could have something to shoot 22 rifles
>>> into.   Not concerned that my cattle were only 300 ft from the fence
>>> line in the line of fire.  I don't think they ever used the pile, but it
>>> became a source of weeds for 300 ft north of that pile.
>>>
>>> I lost a 160 acre field 3 years ago when a big farmer decided he wanted
>>> it and accused me of not taking care of the place.   It turned out that
>>> the heir I was dealing with was accepting payment and not sharing with
>>> the other heirs.   I lost the field and picked up the one that was being
>>> mowed today.   The loss of the 160 was the very reason I wanted a
>>> written contract on any future rentals.  Now I was informed that since
>>> this 110 acres is owned by 2 brothers they are surveying it next week to
>>> split it up between their heirs.  Land here is going for over $5000/acre
>>> in large parcels.  The heirs won't be able to list it for sale fast
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> Unless I move 70 miles to the south on the farm that has been rented out
>>> for over 20 years, my farming and cattle raising days are over.    By
>>> the time I could get things sold to move  this boom will be gone....
>>>
>>> We have so many people moving in here from the crazy states I don't even
>>> recognize my state any more....
>>>
>>> Cecil in OK
>>>
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