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<p>There are too many groups making too much money on this housing
boom for that to ever happen in this state. Oklahoma is next to
last in healthcare, education, and income for its residents. It
is too easy to run over everybody. Oklahoma is a very good place
to be from, as far from it as you can get!! <br>
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<p>Cecil<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/18/2022 8:16 AM, Carl Szabelski
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In Michigan, we can put land into essentially a land bank by
agreeing to plant the land with trees under a program with the
state and local utility. The land has to remain untouched for a
hundred years. It’s an effort to slow development and keep utility
needs from growing out of hand.
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<div>Carl<br>
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On Wednesday, May 18, 2022, Mogrits <<a
href="mailto:mogrits@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">mogrits@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Our county is booming. We live in the last
undeveloped corner of it. It's been family farms forever,
admittedly small in the 100-200 acre range, some larger via
lease agreements etc for beef, one dairy, and feed
production. We are living on a small carveout from my
family's original land grant and have a small almost
contiguous parcel from the same piece. Cousins etc have
carved it up and hold some and sold other pieces. Two
cousins just listed and sold 40 acres for almost 15k/acre
without the courtesy of a phone call before listing it.
They don't care, don't live instate and the pines aren't big
enough to cut yet. It's happening all around us.
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<div>Some of us looked into incorporating a town to try a
form of density management but alas, our State law
requires a population level we don't meet yet. I'll be
watching these numbers climb and hopefully we can do it
once we reach "critical mass", which is 300 people/square
mile. I'm a big property rights guy but damn all these
people with no connection to this land and this place are
working on me.</div>
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<div>All politics aside I just want to be left alone, and
never thought I'd turn into my Grandfather, much less my
father. I also worry for my Grandchildren and am sad they
will miss out on the country I knew. Part of getting old I
guess.</div>
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<div>Warren</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, May 15, 2022 at
10:41 PM Carl Szabelski <<a
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<div>In order to be considered a Centennial Farm, the farm
has to be in your family for the required duration, not
that it’s been a farm for all that time under different
families. It also has to have been a working farm for
that duration, not just idle land. Also, it can be
developed if there are no family members interested in
doing any further farming and it is sold out of the
family, like to a developer. You have to apply for the
Centennial Farm sign that is placed on the property and
prove that the farm has been worked by the family all
the time. Not a difficult process, just paperwork and
family history information. The sign is just a status
symbol to inspire continued farming by local families.
It can even be customized to include your family name.
You can even apply for Sesquicentennial and Bicentennial
status if your family has had the farm for the required
time. The farm only has to be 10 acres.</div>
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<div>Carl<br>
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On Sunday, May 15, 2022, Mark Johnson <<a
href="mailto:markjohnson100@centurylink.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">markjohnson100@centurylink.<wbr>net</a>>
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<p>One o' these days, development folks are going to
realize that it doesn't matter if you have a nice
house and a nearby strip mall if you don't have
anything to eat.</p>
<p>Mark J</p>
<p>(shared owner of 2 Indiana farms, mostly planted
in trees but with about 100 acres of croppable
land)<br>
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<div>On 5/14/2022 10:27 PM, Mike M wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> In Michigan, you can elect
to have your long term farm in to a "Centennial
Farm" it can never be developed and must always
be be farmed. You would receive a huge property
tax break, but could never be developed .<br>
<br>
Mike M<br>
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<div>On 5/14/2022 4:35 PM, ustonThomas Mehrkam
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<blockquote type="cite"> Yep. I am on my
grandfather's farm in Waller. Retired moved
house on the place. Built a 48x75 shop. Well
septic power.
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<div>Running cattle and producing Hay. Now the
land around me is being sold and developed.
1200 acres here 2400 acres there both
residential and commercial. All roads under
construction.</div>
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<div>😫</div>
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<div>Houston is moving to Waller. 😠</div>
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<div>Should have Retired 200 miles out instead
of only 60. Land is selling for $7500 per
acre. </div>
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<div>On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 1:55 PM,
Cecil Bearden</div>
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20px;margin:10px 0px 0px;border-left:1px
solid rgb(109,0,246)"> This just a rant,
but I gotta spill it..<br clear="none">
> I just found my landlords daughter
mowing the best area on the lease I <br
clear="none">
> have so she can run her horses on
it. This 6 acre spot last year <br
clear="none">
> produced 60 bales. I had fertilized
it heavily for the last 3 <br
clear="none">
> years. It is on the 110 acres I have
leased under written contract <br
clear="none">
> which specifies that any changes have
to be made in writing 30 days in <br
clear="none">
> advance. I am supposed to roll over
because she is losing her place <br
clear="none">
> for her horses after she moved here
from texas. She thinks she is <br
clear="none">
> going to make enough giving riding
lessons to pay for the upkeep of <br
clear="none">
> these 3 horses. I have to lease hay
ground to have enough hay for my <br
clear="none">
> cattle. Due to the drought here, I
have sold a bunch and need to sell <br
clear="none">
> 1/2 of what is left. Now, I lose
another 5 acres or more, fencing has <br
clear="none">
> not been put up yet. For some
worthless horses. The loss of the area <br
clear="none">
> is going to cost the equivalent of 30
bales of hay. Last year hay was <br
clear="none">
> $50/bale. It will probably be $75
this year.<br clear="none">
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I have another 30 acres rented that
adjoins my farm to the south. The <br
clear="none">
landowner decided to dump 2 truckloads of
dirt on one of the better <br
clear="none">
producing areas so his kids could have
something to shoot 22 rifles <br
clear="none">
into. Not concerned that my cattle were
only 300 ft from the fence <br
clear="none">
line in the line of fire. I don't think
they ever used the pile, but it <br
clear="none">
became a source of weeds for 300 ft north
of that pile.<br clear="none">
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I lost a 160 acre field 3 years ago when a
big farmer decided he wanted <br
clear="none">
it and accused me of not taking care of
the place. It turned out that <br
clear="none">
the heir I was dealing with was accepting
payment and not sharing with <br
clear="none">
the other heirs. I lost the field and
picked up the one that was being <br
clear="none">
mowed today. The loss of the 160 was the
very reason I wanted a <br clear="none">
written contract on any future rentals.
Now I was informed that since <br
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this 110 acres is owned by 2 brothers they
are surveying it next week to <br
clear="none">
split it up between their heirs. Land
here is going for over $5000/acre <br
clear="none">
in large parcels. The heirs won't be able
to list it for sale fast enough.<br
clear="none">
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Unless I move 70 miles to the south on the
farm that has been rented out <br
clear="none">
for over 20 years, my farming and cattle
raising days are over. By <br
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the time I could get things sold to move
this boom will be gone....<br clear="none">
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We have so many people moving in here from
the crazy states I don't even <br
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recognize my state any more....<br
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Cecil in OK
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