[AT] history of PTO's on tractors .... when LIVE PTO

Mike M meulenms at gmx.com
Sat May 29 13:10:08 PDT 2021


Dean, I'd be curious to know what prices are out west. Here in Michigan
a 2x4x8' white wood used to be 1.97, is now $8. I wanted to have a pole
barn built but that will have to wait. A sheet of OSB is $40

Mike M

On 5/29/2021 12:41 PM, Dean VP wrote:
>
> Spencer,
>
>   Never want to let the little stuff get in the way. And …. lumber is
> cheap right now. Just received a $40,000 quote on my $15,000 deck
> project. That just plain dumfounds me.
>
> Dean VP
>
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and
> gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
>
> ..Winston Churchill...
>
> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of
> *Spencer Yost
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 29, 2021 9:28 AM
> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AT] history of PTO's on tractors .... when LIVE PTO
>
> I always wanted a Roto Baler. I don’t have a single sane, logical
> reason other than I just love to watch them in action. Since I have
> small acreage I thought it would be interesting to try to use one.
>  Unfortunately they were never popular around here so I would have to
> haul one in from afar and they are difficult to transport. So I’ve
> never had the opportunity to buy one that was in good enough shape to
> be worth the effort to transport.
>
> Plus it would take up a lot of my nonexistent shed space.  (-:  I
> could not keep it out of the rain without erecting a shed.   The
> lumber would cost more than the rotobaler (-:
>
> Spencer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>     On May 29, 2021, at 10:57 AM, Mark Johnson
>     <markjohnson100 at centurylink.net
>     <mailto:markjohnson100 at centurylink.net>> wrote:
>
>     
>
>     Herb & all:
>
>     I remember that we had two different JD A's and a 620 when I was
>     growing up...the 'old' A definitely did not have live PTO. The
>     'new' A (pressed steel frame instead of cast iron) *might* have
>     had live PTO; I just don't recall. The 620 and everything later
>     that we had, all definitely had live PTO. We used the 620 and 730s
>     to power our AC roto baler.  The IH 300 would have had enough
>     power, but lacked the live PTO, so it got relegated to rake duty.
>     My dad said this of the original AC roto baler design: "I never
>     baled with it without something breaking during the day. But I
>     also never failed to finish baling what we had raked and ready."
>     Admittedly, ours was old, and had been extensively rebuilt. Even
>     at that, the latch plates that held the upper and lower belt gangs
>     in the 'roll a bale" position had some wear, and would
>     occasionally release without being tripped - either while we were
>     running twine, or even before that. I always thought of it as the
>     baler "throwing up" on us.
>
>     If the bale hadn't been partially tied, we just carried the hay
>     back around to the pickup deck and ran it through again :-).
>
>     For myself, I always thought of the AC Roto-Baler as being an
>     engineer's dream and a mechanic's nightmare. Lots of manual
>     operation (stopping to feed twine manually, then tripping the
>     release to eject the bale every time. I heard some tales that
>     there was a later version, never produced or built only in small
>     quantities, that had a way to 'hold' hay while the twine feed was
>     running, so the operator didn't have to stop for each bale. I can
>     only imagine the mechanical complexity of such a beast. Can
>     anybody confirm or deny?
>
>     Mark J
>
>     On 5/29/2021 9:34 AM, Cecil Bearden wrote:
>
>         I think the earliest live PTO was on the WD Allis Chalmers. 
>         Built to power the AC roto baler.  The hand clutch stopped
>         forward travel and left he PTO running.   I really liked
>         running my old WD, just hated the seat.  I still have kinks in
>         my back from it...
>         Cecil
>
>         On 5/28/2021 9:05 PM, HERBERT METZ wrote:
>
>             Dean, I certainly agree and hope that purists pick up on
>             this by sharing their knowledge of history of these two
>             PTO systems.  Herb(GA)
>
>                 On 05/28/2021 4:36 PM Dean VP <deanvp at att.net>
>                 <mailto:deanvp at att.net> wrote:
>
>                 Herb,
>
>                 In addition to your question when did LIVE PTO arrive
>                 and what tractor Manufacturer provided it.  I do
>                 believe there is a distinction needed to be made
>                 between INDEPENDENT LIVE PTO and LIVE PTO for the purists
>
>                 Dean VP
>
>                 *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>                 <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On
>                 Behalf Of *HERBERT METZ
>                 *Sent:* Sunday, May 23, 2021 4:19 AM
>                 *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>                 <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>                 <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>                 *Subject:* [AT] history of PTO's on tractors
>
>                 When did PTO's  first appear on tractors? I assume
>                 sickle bar mowers was one of the first implements that
>                 PTO's appeared on?
>
>                 I use an Allis Chalmers  PTO powered four foot tiller
>                 behind my AC720 large lawn tractor; sure is a nice way
>                 to till our large vegetable garden.
>
>                 Herb(GA)
>
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