[AT] history of PTO's on tractors .... when LIVE PTO
Mike M
meulenms at gmx.com
Sat May 29 13:10:08 PDT 2021
Dean, I'd be curious to know what prices are out west. Here in Michigan
a 2x4x8' white wood used to be 1.97, is now $8. I wanted to have a pole
barn built but that will have to wait. A sheet of OSB is $40
Mike M
On 5/29/2021 12:41 PM, Dean VP wrote:
>
> Spencer,
>
> Never want to let the little stuff get in the way. And …. lumber is
> cheap right now. Just received a $40,000 quote on my $15,000 deck
> project. That just plain dumfounds me.
>
> Dean VP
>
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and
> gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
>
> ..Winston Churchill...
>
> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of
> *Spencer Yost
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 29, 2021 9:28 AM
> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AT] history of PTO's on tractors .... when LIVE PTO
>
> I always wanted a Roto Baler. I don’t have a single sane, logical
> reason other than I just love to watch them in action. Since I have
> small acreage I thought it would be interesting to try to use one.
> Unfortunately they were never popular around here so I would have to
> haul one in from afar and they are difficult to transport. So I’ve
> never had the opportunity to buy one that was in good enough shape to
> be worth the effort to transport.
>
> Plus it would take up a lot of my nonexistent shed space. (-: I
> could not keep it out of the rain without erecting a shed. The
> lumber would cost more than the rotobaler (-:
>
> Spencer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On May 29, 2021, at 10:57 AM, Mark Johnson
> <markjohnson100 at centurylink.net
> <mailto:markjohnson100 at centurylink.net>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Herb & all:
>
> I remember that we had two different JD A's and a 620 when I was
> growing up...the 'old' A definitely did not have live PTO. The
> 'new' A (pressed steel frame instead of cast iron) *might* have
> had live PTO; I just don't recall. The 620 and everything later
> that we had, all definitely had live PTO. We used the 620 and 730s
> to power our AC roto baler. The IH 300 would have had enough
> power, but lacked the live PTO, so it got relegated to rake duty.
> My dad said this of the original AC roto baler design: "I never
> baled with it without something breaking during the day. But I
> also never failed to finish baling what we had raked and ready."
> Admittedly, ours was old, and had been extensively rebuilt. Even
> at that, the latch plates that held the upper and lower belt gangs
> in the 'roll a bale" position had some wear, and would
> occasionally release without being tripped - either while we were
> running twine, or even before that. I always thought of it as the
> baler "throwing up" on us.
>
> If the bale hadn't been partially tied, we just carried the hay
> back around to the pickup deck and ran it through again :-).
>
> For myself, I always thought of the AC Roto-Baler as being an
> engineer's dream and a mechanic's nightmare. Lots of manual
> operation (stopping to feed twine manually, then tripping the
> release to eject the bale every time. I heard some tales that
> there was a later version, never produced or built only in small
> quantities, that had a way to 'hold' hay while the twine feed was
> running, so the operator didn't have to stop for each bale. I can
> only imagine the mechanical complexity of such a beast. Can
> anybody confirm or deny?
>
> Mark J
>
> On 5/29/2021 9:34 AM, Cecil Bearden wrote:
>
> I think the earliest live PTO was on the WD Allis Chalmers.
> Built to power the AC roto baler. The hand clutch stopped
> forward travel and left he PTO running. I really liked
> running my old WD, just hated the seat. I still have kinks in
> my back from it...
> Cecil
>
> On 5/28/2021 9:05 PM, HERBERT METZ wrote:
>
> Dean, I certainly agree and hope that purists pick up on
> this by sharing their knowledge of history of these two
> PTO systems. Herb(GA)
>
> On 05/28/2021 4:36 PM Dean VP <deanvp at att.net>
> <mailto:deanvp at att.net> wrote:
>
> Herb,
>
> In addition to your question when did LIVE PTO arrive
> and what tractor Manufacturer provided it. I do
> believe there is a distinction needed to be made
> between INDEPENDENT LIVE PTO and LIVE PTO for the purists
>
> Dean VP
>
> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On
> Behalf Of *HERBERT METZ
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 23, 2021 4:19 AM
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> *Subject:* [AT] history of PTO's on tractors
>
> When did PTO's first appear on tractors? I assume
> sickle bar mowers was one of the first implements that
> PTO's appeared on?
>
> I use an Allis Chalmers PTO powered four foot tiller
> behind my AC720 large lawn tractor; sure is a nice way
> to till our large vegetable garden.
>
> Herb(GA)
>
>
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