[AT] history of PTO's on tractors .... when LIVE PTO
szabelski at wildblue.net
szabelski at wildblue.net
Sat May 29 15:34:07 PDT 2021
Same reason we put off building our pole barn his year. Hopefully prices will come back to normal, or near normal next year. But then, with people putting stuff off right now, there may be a big demand next near that might tend to keep things high.
Finished building a queen size bed a few weeks ago, just need to get some wood for the slats, but not in a real hurry to do that. With the exception of the side rails, everything else was repurpose wood, mainly hardwood flooring that I planed down to size. Been doing a lot of little jobs using repurposed hardwood flooring. You can usually get plenty of it off of Craigslist. Some of it from, like from homes in Detroit, are the really long pieces that aren’t available in today’s market.
Carl
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From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
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Subject: Re: [AT] history of PTO's on tractors .... when LIVE PTO
Dean, I'd be curious to know what prices are out west. Here in Michigan
a 2x4x8' white wood used to be 1.97, is now $8. I wanted to have a pole
barn built but that will have to wait. A sheet of OSB is $40
Mike M
On 5/29/2021 12:41 PM, Dean VP wrote:
>
> Spencer,
>
> Never want to let the little stuff get in the way. And …. lumber is
> cheap right now. Just received a $40,000 quote on my $15,000 deck
> project. That just plain dumfounds me.
>
> Dean VP
>
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and
> gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
>
> ..Winston Churchill...
>
> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of
> *Spencer Yost
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 29, 2021 9:28 AM
> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AT] history of PTO's on tractors .... when LIVE PTO
>
> I always wanted a Roto Baler. I don’t have a single sane, logical
> reason other than I just love to watch them in action. Since I have
> small acreage I thought it would be interesting to try to use one.
> Unfortunately they were never popular around here so I would have to
> haul one in from afar and they are difficult to transport. So I’ve
> never had the opportunity to buy one that was in good enough shape to
> be worth the effort to transport.
>
> Plus it would take up a lot of my nonexistent shed space. (-: I
> could not keep it out of the rain without erecting a shed. The
> lumber would cost more than the rotobaler (-:
>
> Spencer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On May 29, 2021, at 10:57 AM, Mark Johnson
> <markjohnson100 at centurylink.net
> <mailto:markjohnson100 at centurylink.net>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Herb & all:
>
> I remember that we had two different JD A's and a 620 when I was
> growing up...the 'old' A definitely did not have live PTO. The
> 'new' A (pressed steel frame instead of cast iron) *might* have
> had live PTO; I just don't recall. The 620 and everything later
> that we had, all definitely had live PTO. We used the 620 and 730s
> to power our AC roto baler. The IH 300 would have had enough
> power, but lacked the live PTO, so it got relegated to rake duty.
> My dad said this of the original AC roto baler design: "I never
> baled with it without something breaking during the day. But I
> also never failed to finish baling what we had raked and ready."
> Admittedly, ours was old, and had been extensively rebuilt. Even
> at that, the latch plates that held the upper and lower belt gangs
> in the 'roll a bale" position had some wear, and would
> occasionally release without being tripped - either while we were
> running twine, or even before that. I always thought of it as the
> baler "throwing up" on us.
>
> If the bale hadn't been partially tied, we just carried the hay
> back around to the pickup deck and ran it through again :-).
>
> For myself, I always thought of the AC Roto-Baler as being an
> engineer's dream and a mechanic's nightmare. Lots of manual
> operation (stopping to feed twine manually, then tripping the
> release to eject the bale every time. I heard some tales that
> there was a later version, never produced or built only in small
> quantities, that had a way to 'hold' hay while the twine feed was
> running, so the operator didn't have to stop for each bale. I can
> only imagine the mechanical complexity of such a beast. Can
> anybody confirm or deny?
>
> Mark J
>
> On 5/29/2021 9:34 AM, Cecil Bearden wrote:
>
> I think the earliest live PTO was on the WD Allis Chalmers.
> Built to power the AC roto baler. The hand clutch stopped
> forward travel and left he PTO running. I really liked
> running my old WD, just hated the seat. I still have kinks in
> my back from it...
> Cecil
>
> On 5/28/2021 9:05 PM, HERBERT METZ wrote:
>
> Dean, I certainly agree and hope that purists pick up on
> this by sharing their knowledge of history of these two
> PTO systems. Herb(GA)
>
> On 05/28/2021 4:36 PM Dean VP <deanvp at att.net>
> <mailto:deanvp at att.net> wrote:
>
> Herb,
>
> In addition to your question when did LIVE PTO arrive
> and what tractor Manufacturer provided it. I do
> believe there is a distinction needed to be made
> between INDEPENDENT LIVE PTO and LIVE PTO for the purists
>
> Dean VP
>
> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On
> Behalf Of *HERBERT METZ
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 23, 2021 4:19 AM
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> *Subject:* [AT] history of PTO's on tractors
>
> When did PTO's first appear on tractors? I assume
> sickle bar mowers was one of the first implements that
> PTO's appeared on?
>
> I use an Allis Chalmers PTO powered four foot tiller
> behind my AC720 large lawn tractor; sure is a nice way
> to till our large vegetable garden.
>
> Herb(GA)
>
>
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