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Dean, I'd be curious to know what prices are out west. Here in
Michigan a 2x4x8' white wood used to be 1.97, is now $8. I wanted to
have a pole barn built but that will have to wait. A sheet of OSB is
$40<br>
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Mike M<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/29/2021 12:41 PM, Dean VP wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Never want to let the little stuff get in
the way. And …. lumber is cheap right now. Just received a
$40,000 quote on my $15,000 deck project. That just plain
dumfounds me.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 29, 2021 9:28 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] history of PTO's on tractors ....
when LIVE PTO<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I always wanted a Roto Baler. I don’t have
a single sane, logical reason other than I just love to watch
them in action. Since I have small acreage I thought it would
be interesting to try to use one. Unfortunately they were
never popular around here so I would have to haul one in from
afar and they are difficult to transport. So I’ve never had
the opportunity to buy one that was in good enough shape to be
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<p class="MsoNormal">Plus it would take up a lot of my
nonexistent shed space. (-: I could not keep it out of the
rain without erecting a shed. The lumber would cost more
than the rotobaler (-:<o:p></o:p></p>
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29, 2021, at 10:57 AM, Mark Johnson <<a
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<p>I remember that we had two different JD A's and a 620
when I was growing up...the 'old' A definitely did not
have live PTO. The 'new' A (pressed steel frame
instead of cast iron) *might* have had live PTO; I
just don't recall. The 620 and everything later that
we had, all definitely had live PTO. We used the 620
and 730s to power our AC roto baler. The IH 300 would
have had enough power, but lacked the live PTO, so it
got relegated to rake duty. My dad said this of the
original AC roto baler design: "I never baled with it
without something breaking during the day. But I also
never failed to finish baling what we had raked and
ready." Admittedly, ours was old, and had been
extensively rebuilt. Even at that, the latch plates
that held the upper and lower belt gangs in the 'roll
a bale" position had some wear, and would occasionally
release without being tripped - either while we were
running twine, or even before that. I always thought
of it as the baler "throwing up" on us.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>If the bale hadn't been partially tied, we just
carried the hay back around to the pickup deck and ran
it through again :-). <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>For myself, I always thought of the AC Roto-Baler as
being an engineer's dream and a mechanic's nightmare.
Lots of manual operation (stopping to feed twine
manually, then tripping the release to eject the bale
every time. I heard some tales that there was a later
version, never produced or built only in small
quantities, that had a way to 'hold' hay while the
twine feed was running, so the operator didn't have to
stop for each bale. I can only imagine the mechanical
complexity of such a beast. Can anybody confirm or
deny?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Mark J<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I think the earliest live PTO was on the WD Allis
Chalmers. Built to power the AC roto baler. The
hand clutch stopped forward travel and left he PTO
running. I really liked running my old WD, just
hated the seat. I still have kinks in my back from
it...<br>
Cecil<o:p></o:p></p>
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METZ wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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I certainly agree and hope that purists pick
up on this by sharing their knowledge of
history of these two PTO systems. Herb(GA) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 05/28/2021 4:36 PM Dean
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addition to your question when did LIVE PTO
arrive and what tractor Manufacturer provided
it. I do believe there is a distinction
needed to be made between INDEPENDENT LIVE PTO
and LIVE PTO for the purists<o:p></o:p></p>
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Behalf Of </span></strong>HERBERT
METZ<br>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sent:</span></strong>
Sunday, May 23, 2021 4:19 AM<br>
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[AT] history of PTO's on tractors<o:p></o:p></p>
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did PTO's first appear on tractors? I
assume sickle bar mowers was one of the
first implements that PTO's appeared on? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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use an Allis Chalmers PTO powered four
foot tiller behind my AC720 large lawn
tractor; sure is a nice way to till our
large vegetable garden. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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