[AT] history of PTO's on tractors .... when LIVE PTO/ now wood prices

deanvp deanvp at att.net
Sun May 30 22:31:15 PDT 2021


Lowes local pricing:2 x 4 x 96" = $8.48.  #2 grade Hemlock Fir2 x 4 x 92 5/8" = $7.96. #2 grade Douglass Fir2 x 4 x 96" = $10.01. Choice grade Douglas FirSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> Date: 5/30/21  8:16 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com> Subject: [AT] history of PTO's on tractors .... when LIVE PTO/ now wood prices 
    LOL, I got 2 blades off my Scag zero turn and could not get the
    third one off. Despite having both feet on the back tire and two
    hands on the wrench. I've lost about 40lbs recently (on purpose) and
    with it lost a lot of my strength. I finally took my loader tractor,
    wrapped a chain around the front, and hoisted it up, and put the
    impact to it.  I did put jack stands under it in case of a hydraulic
    failure. But it did the trick in two seconds. BTW you can check
    Lowe's prices on line if you punch in your zip code.
    
    Regards,
    Mike M
    
    On 5/30/2021 10:55 PM, deanvp wrote:
    
    
      
      Ok, I will check at the local Lowes and see what
        price they are gouging.  BTW,  I used to use the 2x4 trick on
        loosening the mower blade bolt but I got really lazy and now
        just use the air powered impact wrench.  18 mm socket and boom
        the bolt is out. I even use anti-seize lubricant on the bolt
        threads and they still seem to lock up like they are frozen.  I
        just don't fight with them any more.  You just have to jack the
        front of the GT and deck  high enough to make room for the
        impact wrench. My floor jack just does the job with not much
        room to spare. I've looked at buying a longer lever floor jack
        but when I see the price I decide real quick I am satisfied with
        what I have.
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
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        -------- Original message --------
        From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> 
        Date: 5/30/21 4:44 PM (GMT-08:00) 
        To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com 
        Subject: Re: [AT] history of PTO's on tractors .... when
          LIVE PTO/ now wood prices 
        
        
      
      Hi Dean,
      Yes what I was referring to was a standard 2x4 like is used in
      general construction, not pressure treated. Prices here are $8 a
      piece per board and it used to be $2. I have a short piece of 2x4
      about a foot long that I use to jam my mower blades to take them
      off to sharpen them, it's literally worth a dollar. 
      
      Mike M
      
      On 5/30/2021 4:25 PM, Dean VP wrote:
      
      
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          Mike,
           
          Do you mean by “white board” Pine, Fir or
            Hemlock? I need to check but I believe I have heard others
            talking about 8’ 2 x 4’s running $8 apiece.  .    Have been
            to lumber stores recently looking at deck stuff bit haven’t
            looked at 2 x 4 x 8’ since they are not used much in a deck.
             I need to look at pressure treated lumber too since all
            wood under the composite deck boards will be treated
            lumber.  I just received a  quote on what a right angle
            corner bench 10 x 6’ mounted to the joists and built out of
            the same composite boards used on the deck as an increase to
            the existing quote….$1800. The previous quote supposedly
            included benches.  I’m dumfounded by the quotes I  am
            getting. I may be trying to do something that is out of the
            ordinary for today’s contractors.  I’m trying to nail down
            the details so that there aren’t add-on charges during the
            project.   That may exclude some bidders in today’s market
            place.   I make decisions on what contractors I might be
            able to trust based on their responses to me trying to nail
            down details.  The lowest price is third down the list is
            1.) A trustworthy contractor and a 2.) deck built to
            expectations and layout.  I’m finding that some contractors
            don’t like being pinned down on details that are important
            to me.  I sure hope they aren’t trying to play games.   I
            think it is reasonable for me to ask when and where what
            type of screws will  have to be used versus which  version
            of clips and will the screw holes be counter sunk and
            filled?  Is that unreasonable?  I don’t want any more screws
            used than is necessary. 
           
           
          
            Dean VP
            Snohomish, WA 98290
            "Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
              the creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent
              virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
            ..Winston Churchill...
          
           
          
            
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                .... when LIVE PTO
            
          
           
          Dean, I'd be
            curious to know what prices are out west. Here in Michigan a
            2x4x8' white wood used to be 1.97, is now $8. I wanted to
            have a pole barn built but that will have to wait. A sheet
            of OSB is $40
            
            Mike M
          
            On 5/29/2021 12:41 PM, Dean VP wrote:
          
          
            Spencer,
             
              Never want to let the little stuff
              get in the way. And …. lumber is cheap right now. Just
              received a $40,000 quote on my $15,000 deck project. That
              just plain dumfounds me.
             
            
              Dean VP
              Snohomish, WA 98290
              "Socialism is a philosophy of
                failure, the creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its
                inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
              ..Winston Churchill...
            
             
            
              
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                  .... when LIVE PTO
              
            
             
            I always wanted a Roto Baler. I don’t
              have a single sane, logical reason other than I just love
              to watch them in action. Since I have small acreage I
              thought it would be interesting to try to use one.
               Unfortunately they were never popular around here so I
              would have to haul one in from afar and they are difficult
              to transport. So I’ve never had the opportunity to buy one
              that was in good enough shape to be worth the effort to
              transport.
            
               
            
            
              Plus it would take up a lot of my
                nonexistent shed space.  (-:  I could not keep it out of
                the rain without erecting a shed.   The lumber would
                cost more than the rotobaler (-:
              
                 
              
              
                Spencer
                
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                      May 29, 2021, at 10:57 AM, Mark Johnson <markjohnson100 at centurylink.net>
                      wrote:
                  
                
                
                  
                     
                    Herb & all: 
                    I remember that we had two different JD A's and a
                      620 when I was growing up...the 'old' A definitely
                      did not have live PTO. The 'new' A (pressed steel
                      frame instead of cast iron) *might* have had live
                      PTO; I just don't recall. The 620 and everything
                      later that we had, all definitely had live PTO. We
                      used the 620 and 730s to power our AC roto baler. 
                      The IH 300 would have had enough power, but lacked
                      the live PTO, so it got relegated to rake duty. My
                      dad said this of the original AC roto baler
                      design: "I never baled with it without something
                      breaking during the day. But I also never failed
                      to finish baling what we had raked and ready."
                      Admittedly, ours was old, and had been extensively
                      rebuilt. Even at that, the latch plates that held
                      the upper and lower belt gangs in the 'roll a
                      bale" position had some wear, and would
                      occasionally release without being tripped -
                      either while we were running twine, or even before
                      that. I always thought of it as the baler
                      "throwing up" on us.
                    If the bale hadn't been partially tied, we just
                      carried the hay back around to the pickup deck and
                      ran it through again :-). 
                    For myself, I always thought of the AC Roto-Baler
                      as being an engineer's dream and a mechanic's
                      nightmare. Lots of manual operation (stopping to
                      feed twine manually, then tripping the release to
                      eject the bale every time. I heard some tales that
                      there was a later version, never produced or built
                      only in small quantities, that had a way to 'hold'
                      hay while the twine feed was running, so the
                      operator didn't have to stop for each bale. I can
                      only imagine the mechanical complexity of such a
                      beast. Can anybody confirm or deny?
                    Mark J
                    
                      On 5/29/2021 9:34 AM, Cecil
                        Bearden wrote:
                    
                    
                      I think the earliest live PTO was on the WD
                        Allis Chalmers.  Built to power the AC roto
                        baler.  The hand clutch stopped forward travel
                        and left he PTO running.   I really liked
                        running my old WD, just hated the seat.  I still
                        have kinks in my back from it...
                        Cecil
                      
                        On 5/28/2021 9:05 PM,
                          HERBERT METZ wrote:
                      
                      
                        
                          Dean,
                              I certainly agree and hope that purists
                              pick up on this by sharing their knowledge
                              of history of these two PTO systems. 
                              Herb(GA) 
                        
                        
                           
                            
                        
                        
                          
                            On 05/28/2021 4:36 PM
                              Dean VP <deanvp at att.net>
                              wrote: 
                          
                          
                            Herb,
                            In addition to your
                              question when did LIVE PTO arrive and what
                              tractor Manufacturer provided it.  I do
                              believe there is a distinction needed to
                              be made between INDEPENDENT LIVE PTO and
                              LIVE PTO for the purists
                            
                              Dean VP
                            
                            
                              
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                              When
                                  did PTO's  first appear on tractors? I
                                  assume sickle bar mowers was one of
                                  the first implements that PTO's
                                  appeared on? 
                            
                            
                              I
                                  use an Allis Chalmers  PTO powered
                                  four foot tiller behind my AC720 large
                                  lawn tractor; sure is a nice way to
                                  till our large vegetable garden. 
                            
                            
                              Herb(GA)
                            
                          
                        
                        
                          
                          
                        
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