<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Lowes local pricing:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">2 x 4 x 96" = $8.48. #2 grade Hemlock Fir</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">2 x 4 x 92 5/8" = $7.96. #2 grade Douglass Fir</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">2 x 4 x 96" = $10.01. Choice grade Douglas Fir</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div id="composer_signature" dir="auto"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir="auto">Sent from my Galaxy</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div align="left" dir="auto" style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Mike M <meulenms@gmx.com> </div><div>Date: 5/30/21 8:16 PM (GMT-08:00) </div><div>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at@lists.antique-tractor.com> </div><div>Subject: [AT] history of PTO's on tractors .... when LIVE PTO/ now wood prices </div><div><br></div></div>
LOL, I got 2 blades off my Scag zero turn and could not get the
third one off. Despite having both feet on the back tire and two
hands on the wrench. I've lost about 40lbs recently (on purpose) and
with it lost a lot of my strength. I finally took my loader tractor,
wrapped a chain around the front, and hoisted it up, and put the
impact to it. I did put jack stands under it in case of a hydraulic
failure. But it did the trick in two seconds. BTW you can check
Lowe's prices on line if you punch in your zip code.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Mike M<br>
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<div dir="auto">Ok, I will check at the local Lowes and see what
price they are gouging. BTW, I used to use the 2x4 trick on
loosening the mower blade bolt but I got really lazy and now
just use the air powered impact wrench. 18 mm socket and boom
the bolt is out. I even use anti-seize lubricant on the bolt
threads and they still seem to lock up like they are frozen. I
just don't fight with them any more. You just have to jack the
front of the GT and deck high enough to make room for the
impact wrench. My floor jack just does the job with not much
room to spare. I've looked at buying a longer lever floor jack
but when I see the price I decide real quick I am satisfied with
what I have.</div>
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<div>From: Mike M <a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"><meulenms@gmx.com></a> </div>
<div>Date: 5/30/21 4:44 PM (GMT-08:00) </div>
<div>To: <a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a> </div>
<div>Subject: Re: [AT] history of PTO's on tractors .... when
LIVE PTO/ now wood prices </div>
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Hi Dean,<br>
Yes what I was referring to was a standard 2x4 like is used in
general construction, not pressure treated. Prices here are $8 a
piece per board and it used to be $2. I have a short piece of 2x4
about a foot long that I use to jam my mower blades to take them
off to sharpen them, it's literally worth a dollar. <br>
<br>
Mike M<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do you mean by “white board” Pine, Fir or
Hemlock? I need to check but I believe I have heard others
talking about 8’ 2 x 4’s running $8 apiece. . Have been
to lumber stores recently looking at deck stuff bit haven’t
looked at 2 x 4 x 8’ since they are not used much in a deck.
I need to look at pressure treated lumber too since all
wood under the composite deck boards will be treated
lumber. I just received a quote on what a right angle
corner bench 10 x 6’ mounted to the joists and built out of
the same composite boards used on the deck as an increase to
the existing quote….$1800. The previous quote supposedly
included benches. I’m dumfounded by the quotes I am
getting. I may be trying to do something that is out of the
ordinary for today’s contractors. I’m trying to nail down
the details so that there aren’t add-on charges during the
project. That may exclude some bidders in today’s market
place. I make decisions on what contractors I might be
able to trust based on their responses to me trying to nail
down details. The lowest price is third down the list is
1.) A trustworthy contractor and a 2.) deck built to
expectations and layout. I’m finding that some contractors
don’t like being pinned down on details that are important
to me. I sure hope they aren’t trying to play games. I
think it is reasonable for me to ask when and where what
type of screws will have to be used versus which version
of clips and will the screw holes be counter sunk and
filled? Is that unreasonable? I don’t want any more screws
used than is necessary. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent
virtue is the equal sharing of misery."</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">..Winston Churchill...</p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike M<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 29, 2021 1:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] history of PTO's on tractors
.... when LIVE PTO</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dean, I'd be
curious to know what prices are out west. Here in Michigan a
2x4x8' white wood used to be 1.97, is now $8. I wanted to
have a pole barn built but that will have to wait. A sheet
of OSB is $40<br>
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Mike M</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Never want to let the little stuff
get in the way. And …. lumber is cheap right now. Just
received a $40,000 quote on my $15,000 deck project. That
just plain dumfounds me.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290</p>
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failure, the creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its
inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."</p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Spencer Yost<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 29, 2021 9:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at@lists.antique-tractor.com></a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I always wanted a Roto Baler. I don’t
have a single sane, logical reason other than I just love
to watch them in action. Since I have small acreage I
thought it would be interesting to try to use one.
Unfortunately they were never popular around here so I
would have to haul one in from afar and they are difficult
to transport. So I’ve never had the opportunity to buy one
that was in good enough shape to be worth the effort to
transport.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Plus it would take up a lot of my
nonexistent shed space. (-: I could not keep it out of
the rain without erecting a shed. The lumber would
cost more than the rotobaler (-:</p>
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<p>Herb & all: </p>
<p>I remember that we had two different JD A's and a
620 when I was growing up...the 'old' A definitely
did not have live PTO. The 'new' A (pressed steel
frame instead of cast iron) *might* have had live
PTO; I just don't recall. The 620 and everything
later that we had, all definitely had live PTO. We
used the 620 and 730s to power our AC roto baler.
The IH 300 would have had enough power, but lacked
the live PTO, so it got relegated to rake duty. My
dad said this of the original AC roto baler
design: "I never baled with it without something
breaking during the day. But I also never failed
to finish baling what we had raked and ready."
Admittedly, ours was old, and had been extensively
rebuilt. Even at that, the latch plates that held
the upper and lower belt gangs in the 'roll a
bale" position had some wear, and would
occasionally release without being tripped -
either while we were running twine, or even before
that. I always thought of it as the baler
"throwing up" on us.</p>
<p>If the bale hadn't been partially tied, we just
carried the hay back around to the pickup deck and
ran it through again :-). </p>
<p>For myself, I always thought of the AC Roto-Baler
as being an engineer's dream and a mechanic's
nightmare. Lots of manual operation (stopping to
feed twine manually, then tripping the release to
eject the bale every time. I heard some tales that
there was a later version, never produced or built
only in small quantities, that had a way to 'hold'
hay while the twine feed was running, so the
operator didn't have to stop for each bale. I can
only imagine the mechanical complexity of such a
beast. Can anybody confirm or deny?</p>
<p>Mark J</p>
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<p>I think the earliest live PTO was on the WD
Allis Chalmers. Built to power the AC roto
baler. The hand clutch stopped forward travel
and left he PTO running. I really liked
running my old WD, just hated the seat. I still
have kinks in my back from it...<br>
Cecil</p>
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HERBERT METZ wrote:</p>
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I certainly agree and hope that purists
pick up on this by sharing their knowledge
of history of these two PTO systems.
Herb(GA) </span></p>
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Dean VP <a href="mailto:deanvp@att.net"><deanvp@att.net></a>
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question when did LIVE PTO arrive and what
tractor Manufacturer provided it. I do
believe there is a distinction needed to
be made between INDEPENDENT LIVE PTO and
LIVE PTO for the purists</p>
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Behalf Of </span></strong>HERBERT
METZ<br>
<strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sent:</span></strong>
Sunday, May 23, 2021 4:19 AM<br>
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[AT] history of PTO's on tractors</p>
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did PTO's first appear on tractors? I
assume sickle bar mowers was one of
the first implements that PTO's
appeared on? </span></p>
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use an Allis Chalmers PTO powered
four foot tiller behind my AC720 large
lawn tractor; sure is a nice way to
till our large vegetable garden. </span></p>
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