[AT] Poison Ivy
Mogrits
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Mon Jun 22 14:34:40 PDT 2020
Cecil,
Sorry I'm so late on this but been busy helping my wife rehab. If you go
looking into the story of DDTs ban it is pretty eye-opening. Definitely not
science based. The same crowd that claimed it thinned bird shells also
worried about a "population bomb" if malaria was eliminated. I don't think
either company was motivated to get DDT or Roundup banned because of
expired patents, least of all Monsanto with Roundup- they stand to pay out
a lot of money if these ridiculous lawsuits prevail. The suit that started
this rash of US suits was not a US lawsuit, and was subject to a lot of
interference.
Warren
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:03 AM Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net> wrote:
> The American council on Science & Health noted a study where humans were
> fed a capsule of as much as 35mg of DDT for 18 months had no ill effects.
> In fact they list its toxicity as about equal to caffeine. A funy thing
> about looking into research.... The type of rats used on the DDT study
> were predisposed to cancer both in the DDT group and the control group.
> This is the same type of rat used in the research on Glyphosate the active
> ingredient in Roundup. Due to the humidity and the heat wave in central
> OK, I wish we had some DDT to use on the mosquitoes. If you pull under a
> shade tree to work on equipment, the mosquitoes are mounting an aerial
> attack and the ticks are coming on foot.
>
> Like I said, you ain't supposed to bathe in it...
> Cecil
> On 6/14/2020 6:06 PM, Al Jones wrote:
>
> I agree Cecil, it’s not politics, it’s science.
>
> Roundup is probably the safest herbicide there is and I’m not the least
> bit scared of it, but I don’t put it in my coffee either!
>
> Al
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 14, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
> <crbearden at copper.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> I will not get into a political fight with anyone here, but I remember
> using DDT as a kid and my Dad and grandfather used it also. They lived
> long lives and finally died due to a Dr. screwup. DDT was determined to
> make eagle eggs have a thinner shell when the problem was either genetic or
> nutritional. It was a Judge who determined the fate of DDT. Roundup was
> determined to be possibly carcinogenic by a court, not a certified
> laboratory. I think both decisions were motivated by greed on the part of
> the chemical manufacturer, not comprehensive real laboratory tests. DDT
> had been around so long the patents had run out. Same with Roundup.
>
> That said, I use chemicals sparingly, but when I use them I use the
> maximum rate according to label directions. Then, immediately when I
> finish I throw the clothes in the washer and wash twice. I immediately
> take a shower with cold water first then hot., then I wash the equipment
> and afterwards wash my clothes and take a shower again.. My Dad & I
> sprayed 2-4D and 2-4-5T back in the late 60's early 70's with no cab on the
> tractor. We should have taken more precautions than we did, but we washed
> our hands a lot.....
>
> You just don't take a bath in it, and use a little common sense....
>
> Cecil
> On 6/14/2020 7:10 AM, toma at risingnet.net wrote:
>
> I don't use Roundup any more at all. 2-4 D is certainly no safer. 2-4 D is
> closely related to 2-4-5 T, the famous agent orange that killed all the
> Vietnam vets. As I recall 2- 4 D was known as agent yellow before all the
> carcenogenic effects were known. My grandfather died of Hodgkin's Disease
> after using 2-4-5 T.
>
> From the write-up I read about Triclopyr it has been extensively tested in
> rats and found to have no carcenogenic properties. I may consider trying it
> because we have so much Poison Oak around here.I would still be very
> careful with it.
>
> Triclopyr might be a good safer alternative to 2-4 D because it can be
> mixed to effect broadleafs only. I fear there is no safer alternative to
> Roundup for use on Roundup ready crops. Better get out your cultivators
> boys.
> --
> Sent from myMail for Android
> Saturday, 13 June 2020, 10:30PM -07:00 from Mike M meulenms at gmx.com:
> >
>
>
>
> I used to use Round Up on everything, since the recent finding that
> it may be carcinogenic, I still use it, but am more careful
> with it, and use 2-4D when I can. This doesn't protect me from the
> farmer across the road who sprays all 250 acres with it, but that's
> sprayed from an enclosed cab with specialized equipment, not a
> backpack sprayer.
> > Mike M
> >On 6/13/2020 7:06 PM, Spencer Yost
> wrote:
> >>
> I doubt it’s about the money - more about an approach with less of
> a chemical footprint. I know zip about that chemical foot print
> of the compounds discussed here so I leave it to others to decide
> if that chemical footprint is worth a concern or not. I also
> leave everyone with the reminder that not all chemical footprints
> are well known, regardless of the labeling and short term general
> consensus.
>
> >>Personally I just use roundup on the low, bushy poison ivy.
> The climbing vines I hack a 1’ section out of it. When that
> vine re-emerges I hit it with round up. Works great.
> >>I have to have round-up for the grasses and weeds that try to
> tear up the edges and cracks of our private asphalt road. So the
> cost of a little extra round-up for poison ivy control is of no
> financial/chemical footprint concern to me.
> >>I have very little reaction to poison ivy. I pretty much have
> to roll around in it for me to even get a few blisters. But my
> poor wife really suffers. She generally gets it in early spring.
> I assume she’s getting into the roots of the poison ivy while
> she’s planting annuals and working beds before the low bushy
> stuff emerges and can been seen/identified.
> >>Spencer
> >>Sent from my iPhone
> >>>On Jun 13, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Stephen
> Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>How much do you pay for vinegar? Ortho Max
> Poison Ivy is 8% Triclopyr and you mix 4 oz to the
> gallon. A 16oz jug is $8.00, so $2.00 per gallon. I'm
> sure it's a better value in larger quantities. I don't
> think I can find vinegar as cheap as $2 a gallon.
>
> >>>SO
> >>>On Fri, Jun 12, 2020
> at 11:34 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> <meulenms at gmx.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> I've read of the Triclopyr as well but it's
> pricey for the area I need to cover. I'm going to
> try the vinegar solution first because its cheap
> and so am I. Brush be gone would be fine if I had a
> small area to clear, but I don't. I'll report back
> the results. Thanks all for the info.
> >>>> Mike M
> >>>>On 6/12/2020 6:22 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
> >>>>>Ortho Brush-B-Gone (Triclopyr)
> >>>>>On Fri, Jun
> 12, 2020 at 5:08 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
> <meulenms at gmx.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>I have
> scads of poison ivy around my place, anyone
> have a secret recipe
> >>>>>> to nuke this stuff? I'm not overly
> susceptible
> to it, but my daughter
> >>>>>> is. Also I've read that your reaction to it
> can change over time.
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Mike M
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