<div dir="ltr">Cecil,<div><br></div><div>Sorry I'm so late on this but been busy helping my wife rehab. If you go looking into the story of DDTs ban it is pretty eye-opening. Definitely not science based. The same crowd that claimed it thinned bird shells also worried about a "population bomb" if malaria was eliminated. I don't think either company was motivated to get DDT or Roundup banned because of expired patents, least of all Monsanto with Roundup- they stand to pay out a lot of money if these ridiculous lawsuits prevail. The suit that started this rash of US suits was not a US lawsuit, and was subject to a lot of interference.</div><div><br></div><div>Warren </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:03 AM Cecil Bearden <<a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net">crbearden@copper.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>The American council on Science & Health noted a study where
humans were fed a capsule of as much as 35mg of DDT for 18 months
had no ill effects. In fact they list its toxicity as about equal
to caffeine. A funy thing about looking into research.... The
type of rats used on the DDT study were predisposed to cancer both
in the DDT group and the control group. This is the same type of
rat used in the research on Glyphosate the active ingredient in
Roundup. Due to the humidity and the heat wave in central OK, I
wish we had some DDT to use on the mosquitoes. If you pull under
a shade tree to work on equipment, the mosquitoes are mounting an
aerial attack and the ticks are coming on foot.</p>
<p>Like I said, you ain't supposed to bathe in it...<br>
Cecil<br>
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<div>On 6/14/2020 6:06 PM, Al Jones wrote:<br>
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I agree Cecil, it’s not politics, it’s science.
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<div>Roundup is probably the safest herbicide there is and I’m not
the least bit scared of it, but I don’t put it in my coffee
either! </div>
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<div>Al<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Jun 14, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Cecil
Bearden <a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net" target="_blank"><crbearden@copper.net></a> wrote:<br>
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<p>I will not get into a political fight with anyone here,
but I remember using DDT as a kid and my Dad and
grandfather used it also. They lived long lives and
finally died due to a Dr. screwup. DDT was determined to
make eagle eggs have a thinner shell when the problem was
either genetic or nutritional. It was a Judge who
determined the fate of DDT. Roundup was determined to be
possibly carcinogenic by a court, not a certified
laboratory. I think both decisions were motivated by
greed on the part of the chemical manufacturer, not
comprehensive real laboratory tests. DDT had been around
so long the patents had run out. Same with Roundup. <br>
</p>
<p>That said, I use chemicals sparingly, but when I use them
I use the maximum rate according to label directions.
Then, immediately when I finish I throw the clothes in the
washer and wash twice. I immediately take a shower with
cold water first then hot., then I wash the equipment and
afterwards wash my clothes and take a shower again.. My
Dad & I sprayed 2-4D and 2-4-5T back in the late 60's
early 70's with no cab on the tractor. We should have
taken more precautions than we did, but we washed our
hands a lot.....<br>
<br>
You just don't take a bath in it, and use a little common
sense....<br>
</p>
<p>Cecil<br>
</p>
<div>On 6/14/2020 7:10 AM, <a href="mailto:toma@risingnet.net" target="_blank">toma@risingnet.net</a>
wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin-top:0px" dir="ltr">I don't use Roundup
any more at all. 2-4 D is certainly no safer. 2-4 D is
closely related to 2-4-5 T, the famous agent orange that
killed all the Vietnam vets. As I recall 2- 4 D was
known as agent yellow before all the carcenogenic
effects were known. My grandfather died of Hodgkin's
Disease after using 2-4-5 T.</p>
<p dir="ltr">From the write-up I read about Triclopyr it
has been extensively tested in rats and found to have no
carcenogenic properties. I may consider trying it
because we have so much Poison Oak around here.I would
still be very careful with it.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Triclopyr might be a good safer alternative
to 2-4 D because it can be mixed to effect broadleafs
only. I fear there is no safer alternative to Roundup
for use on Roundup ready crops. Better get out your
cultivators boys.<br>
--<br>
Sent from myMail for Android<br>
Saturday, 13 June 2020, 10:30PM -07:00 from Mike M <a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank">meulenms@gmx.com</a>:<br>
> <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I used to use Round Up on everything, since the
recent finding that<br>
it may be carcinogenic, I still use it, but am more
careful<br>
with it, and use 2-4D when I can. This doesn't
protect me from the<br>
farmer across the road who sprays all 250 acres with
it, but that's<br>
sprayed from an enclosed cab with specialized
equipment, not a<br>
backpack sprayer.<br>
> Mike M<br>
>On 6/13/2020 7:06 PM, Spencer Yost<br>
wrote:<br>
>> <br>
I doubt it’s about the money - more about an
approach with less of<br>
a chemical footprint. I know zip about that
chemical foot print<br>
of the compounds discussed here so I leave it to
others to decide<br>
if that chemical footprint is worth a concern or
not. I also<br>
leave everyone with the reminder that not all
chemical footprints<br>
are well known, regardless of the labeling and
short term general<br>
consensus.<br>
<br>
>>Personally I just use roundup on the low, bushy
poison ivy. <br>
The climbing vines I hack a 1’ section out of
it. When that<br>
vine re-emerges I hit it with round up. Works
great.<br>
>>I have to have round-up for the grasses and
weeds that try to<br>
tear up the edges and cracks of our private
asphalt road. So the<br>
cost of a little extra round-up for poison ivy
control is of no<br>
financial/chemical footprint concern to me.<br>
>>I have very little reaction to poison ivy. I
pretty much have<br>
to roll around in it for me to even get a few
blisters. But my<br>
poor wife really suffers. She generally gets it
in early spring.<br>
I assume she’s getting into the roots of the
poison ivy while<br>
she’s planting annuals and working beds before
the low bushy<br>
stuff emerges and can been seen/identified.<br>
>>Spencer<br>
>>Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>>On Jun 13, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Stephen<br>
Offiler <a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_blank"><soffiler@gmail.com></a>
wrote:<br>
>>>How much do you pay for vinegar? Ortho Max<br>
Poison Ivy is 8% Triclopyr and you mix 4
oz to the<br>
gallon. A 16oz jug is $8.00, so $2.00
per gallon. I'm<br>
sure it's a better value in
larger quantities. I don't<br>
think I can find vinegar as cheap as $2
a gallon.<br>
<br>
>>>SO<br>
>>>On Fri, Jun 12, 2020<br>
at 11:34 PM Mike M <a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank"><meulenms@gmx.com></a><br>
wrote:<br>
>>>> I've read of the Triclopyr as well but
it's<br>
pricey for the area I need to cover.
I'm going to<br>
try the vinegar solution first
because its cheap<br>
and so am I. Brush be gone would be
fine if I had a<br>
small area to clear, but I don't.
I'll report back<br>
the results. Thanks all for the
info. <br>
>>>> Mike M<br>
>>>>On 6/12/2020 6:22 PM, Stephen Offiler
wrote:<br>
>>>>>Ortho Brush-B-Gone (Triclopyr)<br>
>>>>>On Fri, Jun<br>
12, 2020 at 5:08 PM Mike M <a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank"><meulenms@gmx.com></a><br>
wrote:<br>
>>>>>>I have<br>
scads of poison ivy around my
place, anyone<br>
have a secret recipe<br>
>>>>>> to
nuke this stuff? I'm not overly susceptible<br>
to it, but my daughter<br>
>>>>>> is.
Also I've read that your reaction to it<br>
can change over time.<br>
>>>>>>
Thanks,<br>
>>>>>> Mike M<br>
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