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    I've never understood why people drive for hours to to pick up parts
    that can be shipped, unless needed immediately. What a waste of time
    an fuel.<br>
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    Mike M<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/11/2020 7:44 AM, John Hall wrote:<br>
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      I think Clinton is where I ordered some parts from last year. For
      giggles I just checked the CaseIH website. Returned 10 dealers
      "near me".  I'm guessing it would be 4 hours to Dillon SC--thats
      one of the locations. Closest is Wilson, with traffic thats 2+
      hours one way.  Clapp is not even on teh list, thats over an hour
      away. Needless to say UPS is how I get parts.<br>
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      Deere is 15 minutes away.....<br>
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      John<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/11/2020 12:20 AM, Al Jones
        wrote:<br>
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          <div>John while I prefer independent dealers, it does appear
            that the whole Quality/East Coast Equipment, then Quality
            and East Coast merger, has been a good thing.  Parts support
            is wonderful and even though we are super-small timers they
            have delivered parts to the house for us.  They built a new
            store in Wallace, which is only 15-20 minutes away from the
            farm.  It looks like on the other hand CNH has anointed
            B&S to be the caseIH dealer in NC, closest store is
            Wilson and I hear if you want anything for a Super A-140 you
            better have a part number.  I don't think CNH really cares
            much about having a presence in NC.    Aycock in Goldsboro
            is now all NH but can still get caseIH parts, and there's
            still Clinton Truck & Tractor. I will give them what
            little business I do for as long as they're around.</div>
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          <div>Al</div>
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          <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 4:44
            PM John Hall <<a href="mailto:jtchall@nc.rr.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true">jtchall@nc.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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            <div> Quality is wonderful to deal with, get parts really
              fast usually.<br>
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              IH on the other hand, they are closing up dealers left and
              right,  I can't drive to one within 2 hours. Last time I
              went searching for dealers, CaseIH website only had a few
              in the entire state.<br>
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              Deere WANTS the state of NC, CaseIH has given it to them.<br>
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              John Hall<br>
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              <div>On 7/9/2020 11:52 PM, Al Jones wrote:<br>
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                  <div>There are basically two JD dealers in NC--Quality
                    Equipment and James River Equipment.  I couldn't
                    tell you how many stores Quality has, but it's a
                    lot. James River is in VA but they have a few stores
                    in the piedmont of NC.  I think there is one
                    privately/family owned JD dealer in the state, Gay
                    Implement in Seaboard, NC.<br>
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                  <div>caseIH/CNH has done something similar, but
                    compared to JD it's like they're not even trying. We
                    now have two Dealers in NC--one privately/family
                    owned (Clinton Truck & Tractor) and then another
                    dealer with multiple stores but nowhere as many as
                    JD.  CNH made two of the best dealers in NC give up
                    their contracts(Clapp Bros. in Siler City and Mills
                    in Kinston--the dealer I frequented) because they
                    weren't "Big" enough.  In Mills' case I expect many
                    of their loyal customers to go green.</div>
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                  <div>Al</div>
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                  <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Thu, Jul 9, 2020
                    at 3:06 PM Mark Johnson <<a
                      href="mailto:markjohnson100@centurylink.net"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">markjohnson100@centurylink.net</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
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                      <p>Where Deere & Co. lost me has nothing to do
                        with antique tractors at all, but rather with
                        their service and maintenance policy for today's
                        highly software-driven ag machinery. They have
                        effectively put a 'No User-Serviceable Parts
                        Inside. Warranty void if seal is broken' sign on
                        their tractors, and with the destruction of the
                        network of small local (some would say
                        mom-and-pop) dealers, a simple failure can be a
                        multi-day adventure in high-tech repairs. I'm
                        not sure if it is true for the whole country,
                        but this policy has been upheld by courts in
                        California.</p>
                      <p>One of my sources works for one of those
                        now-former JD dealers. Deere offered to buy back
                        their inventory, with a one-time deal, and told
                        them that they didn't *have* to sell everything
                        back (tractors, implements, and parts) but that
                        they would get no factory support for anything
                        they sold after the cutoff date. The 'word on
                        the street' is that Deere & Co. wants to
                        have regional dealers with at least 6 outlets,
                        and that more than that is even better. At the
                        same time they got bought out, the big regional
                        dealer in Missouri (Sydenstricker) merged with
                        Nobbe...the combined dealership has locations in
                        26 towns in Missouri and Illinois. It's
                        virtually impossible to avoid them in central to
                        north/eastern MO and southwestern IL. [That
                        said, I've never tried to deal with them
                        myself...]<br>
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                      Mark J<br>
                      Columbia, MO
                      <p><br>
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                      <div>On 7/9/2020 1:44 PM, <a
                          href="mailto:deanvp@att.net" target="_blank"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">deanvp@att.net</a>
                        wrote:<br>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Part of the problems were
                            related to the x60 series of tractors in the
                            late 50’ which allowed JD to capture the
                            lead in # of tractors produced but that was
                            just one of many mistakes that I/H made and
                            they were in such a weakened position by the
                            time the 80’s farm crisis arrived they could
                            not ride it out…., alone. It is a whole
                            series of mistakes.    There is a book
                            written by a woman that exposes these
                            mistakes by the name of Barbara Marsh
                            titled: A Corporate Tragedy: The Agony of
                            International Harvester Company.  Worth
                            reading.</p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">I think it would be
                            unwise to think that JD only overtook I/H in
                            total Farm Equipment Sales because I/H made
                            some mistakes.  JD made a few mistakes along
                            the way as well. But they made some really
                            good decisions too. The JD New Generation
                            tractors announced in the fall of 1960 were
                            one of many good decisions JD made to become
                            the power house they are today. I have no
                            experience on comparing how good a JD
                            Tractor vs a Case I/H tractor is today so I
                            make no judgments on that. </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP</p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290</p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT <a
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                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com></a>
                              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Howard Pletcher<br>
                              <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 8, 2020 4:13
                              PM<br>
                              <b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email
                              Discussion Group <a
                                href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><at@lists.antique-tractor.com></a><br>
                              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Cub - Update</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">Sounds like you think
                                the downfall stemmed from the tractor
                                problems. Tractors were about 40% of the
                                company and couldn’t have saved the
                                company even if there were no problems. 
                                The real mismanagement was in the
                                financial area going back as far as the
                                20s & 30s. </p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 8, 2020
                                  at 4:37 PM Brian VanDragt <<a
                                    href="mailto:bvandragt@comcast.net"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">bvandragt@comcast.net</a>>
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                                  style="margin-bottom:12pt">IH has had
                                  plenty of time to catch up, but they
                                  just can't.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Brian</p>
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