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I've never understood why people drive for hours to to pick up parts
that can be shipped, unless needed immediately. What a waste of time
an fuel.<br>
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Mike M<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/11/2020 7:44 AM, John Hall wrote:<br>
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I think Clinton is where I ordered some parts from last year. For
giggles I just checked the CaseIH website. Returned 10 dealers
"near me". I'm guessing it would be 4 hours to Dillon SC--thats
one of the locations. Closest is Wilson, with traffic thats 2+
hours one way. Clapp is not even on teh list, thats over an hour
away. Needless to say UPS is how I get parts.<br>
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Deere is 15 minutes away.....<br>
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John<br>
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<div>John while I prefer independent dealers, it does appear
that the whole Quality/East Coast Equipment, then Quality
and East Coast merger, has been a good thing. Parts support
is wonderful and even though we are super-small timers they
have delivered parts to the house for us. They built a new
store in Wallace, which is only 15-20 minutes away from the
farm. It looks like on the other hand CNH has anointed
B&S to be the caseIH dealer in NC, closest store is
Wilson and I hear if you want anything for a Super A-140 you
better have a part number. I don't think CNH really cares
much about having a presence in NC. Aycock in Goldsboro
is now all NH but can still get caseIH parts, and there's
still Clinton Truck & Tractor. I will give them what
little business I do for as long as they're around.</div>
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<div>Al</div>
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<div> Quality is wonderful to deal with, get parts really
fast usually.<br>
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IH on the other hand, they are closing up dealers left and
right, I can't drive to one within 2 hours. Last time I
went searching for dealers, CaseIH website only had a few
in the entire state.<br>
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Deere WANTS the state of NC, CaseIH has given it to them.<br>
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John Hall<br>
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<div>There are basically two JD dealers in NC--Quality
Equipment and James River Equipment. I couldn't
tell you how many stores Quality has, but it's a
lot. James River is in VA but they have a few stores
in the piedmont of NC. I think there is one
privately/family owned JD dealer in the state, Gay
Implement in Seaboard, NC.<br>
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<div>caseIH/CNH has done something similar, but
compared to JD it's like they're not even trying. We
now have two Dealers in NC--one privately/family
owned (Clinton Truck & Tractor) and then another
dealer with multiple stores but nowhere as many as
JD. CNH made two of the best dealers in NC give up
their contracts(Clapp Bros. in Siler City and Mills
in Kinston--the dealer I frequented) because they
weren't "Big" enough. In Mills' case I expect many
of their loyal customers to go green.</div>
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<div>Al</div>
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at 3:06 PM Mark Johnson <<a
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<p>Where Deere & Co. lost me has nothing to do
with antique tractors at all, but rather with
their service and maintenance policy for today's
highly software-driven ag machinery. They have
effectively put a 'No User-Serviceable Parts
Inside. Warranty void if seal is broken' sign on
their tractors, and with the destruction of the
network of small local (some would say
mom-and-pop) dealers, a simple failure can be a
multi-day adventure in high-tech repairs. I'm
not sure if it is true for the whole country,
but this policy has been upheld by courts in
California.</p>
<p>One of my sources works for one of those
now-former JD dealers. Deere offered to buy back
their inventory, with a one-time deal, and told
them that they didn't *have* to sell everything
back (tractors, implements, and parts) but that
they would get no factory support for anything
they sold after the cutoff date. The 'word on
the street' is that Deere & Co. wants to
have regional dealers with at least 6 outlets,
and that more than that is even better. At the
same time they got bought out, the big regional
dealer in Missouri (Sydenstricker) merged with
Nobbe...the combined dealership has locations in
26 towns in Missouri and Illinois. It's
virtually impossible to avoid them in central to
north/eastern MO and southwestern IL. [That
said, I've never tried to deal with them
myself...]<br>
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Mark J<br>
Columbia, MO
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<p class="MsoNormal">Part of the problems were
related to the x60 series of tractors in the
late 50’ which allowed JD to capture the
lead in # of tractors produced but that was
just one of many mistakes that I/H made and
they were in such a weakened position by the
time the 80’s farm crisis arrived they could
not ride it out…., alone. It is a whole
series of mistakes. There is a book
written by a woman that exposes these
mistakes by the name of Barbara Marsh
titled: A Corporate Tragedy: The Agony of
International Harvester Company. Worth
reading.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think it would be
unwise to think that JD only overtook I/H in
total Farm Equipment Sales because I/H made
some mistakes. JD made a few mistakes along
the way as well. But they made some really
good decisions too. The JD New Generation
tractors announced in the fall of 1960 were
one of many good decisions JD made to become
the power house they are today. I have no
experience on comparing how good a JD
Tractor vs a Case I/H tractor is today so I
make no judgments on that. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sounds like you think
the downfall stemmed from the tractor
problems. Tractors were about 40% of the
company and couldn’t have saved the
company even if there were no problems.
The real mismanagement was in the
financial area going back as far as the
20s & 30s. </p>
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at 4:37 PM Brian VanDragt <<a
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style="margin-bottom:12pt">IH has had
plenty of time to catch up, but they
just can't.<br>
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Brian</p>
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