[AT] OT: non-tractor covid-19 activates

Cecil Bearden crbearden at copper.net
Fri Apr 3 18:15:04 PDT 2020


Well, I had to set it outside,  I know that sounds bad, but the old 
stuff can set outside if coated with used oil and then power wash it a 
little steel wool and it is in good condition.  Old machine tool stuff 
does not pit if ti is by itself.  I save used oil from the tractors & 
trucks and use it to oil machinery that has to sit out.  These old 
pieces are flat belt driven machines converted to individual electric 
drives.  I have converted some to VFD and made some really nice 
machines.  I need to get a 28 Plymouth sedan project in a container so I 
can move some machinery inside..  My 12 ton forklift needed an engine 
transplant and the help I had to do it went to the offshore oil patch 
and I ended up doing everything by myself..  My old forklift is a 
tricycle type Gerlinger that was used on an aircraft carrier.  It had a 
V-8 Mercury Industrial with a 4 spd trans and reverser.  It drove a 
truck axle that had a giant roller chain sprocket that drove a 30 in 
sprocket that was connected to the rear 20in truck duals.  the old 
Mercury was so low on compression it would not fire on ether, so I found 
a 6cyl ford and 2spd fwd & rev trans out of a pneumatic roller.  Removal 
of the Mercury involved 3 hours with a cutting torch.  Going back needs 
a crank pulley machined to attach a 4 groove A section belt pulley to 
drive the main hydraulic pump.  The cylinder is a 14in x 12ft long 
ram.   It takes a lot of oil to move it.  One of these days I will get 
it running.  If the rainy season quits here I may get some things 
done..  This morning it was 30mph gusting to 40 with freezing drizzle..  
Yesterday was shirtsleeve weather....
Cecil

On 4/3/2020 11:43 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
> You "forgot" a 48 x 120?  ;-)    I guess you must not be walking past 
> it very often. That's quite an amazing assortment you've got there 
> Cecil and you're right that not many younger folks have any clue about 
> the big, old, manual stuff. Still has a place in this world however.  
> CNC is great when you need a lot of parts, but, parts you'd make on 
> machinery that large will not be in high-volume demand!  Used 
> machinery dealers would probably enjoy taking a tour of your place and 
> cutting you a check for the whole lot.
>
> SO
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 12:02 PM Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net 
> <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>> wrote:
>
>     After Ithought a little, I forgot about the 48x120 gap bed lathe,
>     the 24in shaper, the 12x36 surface grinder and the other one
>     sitting outside that was dropped off a forklift at the shippers. 
>     I have a 36in Yates American Bandsaw that a forklift operator
>     dropped while loading. It was one the Navy owned during WWII that
>     sawed the decking for ships.  I have another 36in that I need to
>     try to get working.   I also have a 40 ton horn press.  in
>     addition to the 40 ton ironworker.  and a Warner swasey #2 turret
>     lathe, and somewhere around here is an old screw machine.  There
>     is a couple of multiple spindle drills and all manner of old
>     machines....  There are not very many young folks that know how to
>     operate these old machines. Just not a lot of demand for one-off
>     repair work either.. Both old guys that were my teachers in my
>     machine work are now gone..
>
>     On 4/3/2020 10:46 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>     I was just out on the factory floor and noticed one of the CNC's
>>     was about to hit a bar change, and figured I'd try to capture a
>>     video of the whole thing.  It starts with a quick overview of the
>>     CNC and the bar feeder sitting at idle.  Then it shows the part
>>     being made, which is the handle of our double-ended machinist
>>     scribe.  Then I fire it up to make the last possible part before
>>     the bar is effectively consumed, then we see a part being made,
>>     although it is kind of hard to see due to the coolant splash. 
>>     Then it does the bar change, consisting of pulling back the
>>     "remnant" (the end of the bar that's now too short to make
>>     another part) while dropping a new 12' bar, engaging it, and
>>     feeding it into the machine to continue automatic operation.
>>
>>     https://youtu.be/uy57CqHdicg
>>
>>
>>     SO
>>
>>
>>     On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM Stephen Offiler
>>     <soffiler at gmail.com <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Wow, Cecil, that's quite an equipment list!  Some big heavy
>>         stuff on that list!  The only manual machining I do is making
>>         little tools, jigs & fixtures, and "my" shop here at work has
>>         just one (very nice) Hardinge HLV-H "Super Precision" lathe,
>>         a 2J-head Bridgeport, a Kent 6x18 grinder, and a DoAll
>>         bandsaw.  The magic is always in the accessories; the 5C
>>         collets and the 4-jaw chuck for the Hardinge, the R8 collets
>>         for the mill, the various precision vises and other
>>         workholding for mill & grinder, indexing heads, and a whole
>>         compliment of cutters, drills, taps, wheels, etc etc.
>>
>>         Oh and I do owe you a response on the ESAB plasma cutter. 
>>         Unfortunately, it's a pass. Sorry.  We have this one job
>>         we're developing now that involves making rather precise
>>         cuts, but we're already down that road with a chop-saw that's
>>         working quite well.  We just do basically zero with sheet
>>         material most suited for plasma.
>>
>>         SO
>>
>>         On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:54 AM Cecil Bearden
>>         <crbearden at copper.net <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>> wrote:
>>
>>             I planned to open a machine shop when I retired.. 
>>             However, here in OK
>>             there is not much demand and the only jobs I had were
>>             making some
>>             decorating crap for some traveling vendors.  The biggest
>>             job was wire
>>             forming for some Potpourri Pie holders.  I had to build a
>>             jig to bend
>>             the handles with an air cylinder and rack and pinion.
>>             Then I had to roll
>>             a ring and weld it together with m spot welder then spot
>>             weld the rings
>>             to the handles  The handles were also the feet to hold it
>>             above the
>>             stove burner.  I lost the pics of it.  I had a 20KW spot
>>             welder and had
>>             traded for a 10hp Variable frequency driver and motor
>>             from a technical
>>             school.  I dropped the amperage with the variable
>>             frequency drive to
>>             keep from burning the wires up.  The wires were about
>>             3/16 dia.
>>             It was fun for a while, then I felt like I was wasting my
>>             talents on
>>             crap...  Machine shops were  closing down here to send
>>             jobs offshore.
>>             So, I have a building with a 36x120 lathe, a 16x84 lathe,
>>             a 9x40 lathe,
>>             a Cincinnati Mill with a 16x72 table and universal head, 
>>             2ea Kearney
>>             Trecker mills with universal heads, another later model
>>             Cincinnati
>>             overarm mill with a 16 x 72 table, A Bridgeport, a couple
>>             of knee mills
>>             one Japanese, the other old old US made.  I did one job
>>             with the newer
>>             Cincinnati overarm making T-nuts for a big holding
>>             table.  Now they just
>>             sit in case I need to make a part for my old junk.  Then
>>             I was going to
>>             build industrial engines, and bought the boring bars,
>>             head work
>>             equipment and a big big crank grinder.  Never got the
>>             crank grinder set
>>             up.  It is still on a trailer and a stray tornado took
>>             out the building
>>             it was stored under.
>>             Cecil
>>
>>             On 4/3/2020 7:01 AM, Mark Johnson wrote:
>>             > Hey - no problem with the CNC talk, at least not from
>>             me. I've been a
>>             > software guy all my life but I find machining
>>             absolutely fascinating -
>>             > wish I had learned more about it! I'm learning now...
>>             >
>>             > Mark J
>>             >
>>             > Columbia, MO
>>             >
>>             > On 4/3/2020 5:38 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>             >> Hi John -
>>             >>
>>             >> Hope the list will tolerate some CNC banter.  We have
>>             1 job that we
>>             >> hold close, using .0001" offsets; all the rest it
>>             would be more like
>>             >> .0005" or more.  Swiss excels in small precise stuff
>>             and also long
>>             >> slender stuff, and we are heavy on the latter. Don't
>>             need all that
>>             >> precision, but it's handy to have:  I can give the
>>             guys setup sheets
>>             >> with .XXX" dimensions and no tolerance, and they can
>>             hit the numbers
>>             >> dead-on quite easily. Keeps me from having to even
>>             think about
>>             >> tolerances which is quite a luxury for an engineer.
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