[AT] Statistics In Tractor Manufacturing Was Bicycle Program

[Mike M]

I have a Scag zero turn that I bought new, I put about 350 hours on it
over the course of several years.  When I parked it this last fall, I
accidentally left the key on, so when I went to start it this Spring I
had 3500 hours on it. Fortunately my daughter works at the dealer so I
was able to buy a new one.

Mike M

On 9/16/2019 2:42 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:
> New tractors have hours embedded in the computer. Replacement
> computers are easily spotted by the metadata in the computer.   So for
> approximately the last 10-15 years we have a reliable indicator of
> usage or computer replacement/tampering on most models.
>
> However, being able to obtain the equipment and software necessary to
> read the computer is still a sticking point and at the heart of the
> right to repair lawsuits going around.   These lawsuits are extending
> to other equipment and devices. So farmers were actually at the
> forefront of this movement.
>
> Ok fine print for the following:
>
> This is not a political statement. I absolutely positively never
> endorse any presidential candidate publicly on this list nor should
> the following be construed as support for the  candidates mentioned. I
> only add the following statements and link as a way to let y’all know
> that our frustrations with equipment are being heard by some.  Ok
> enough with the fine print:
>
> Elizabeth Warren added support for the right to repair movement as one
> of her written policy planks - To my knowledge the only one but the
> movement should grow to the point candidates probably won’t be able to
> ignore it. Here’s Warren’s policy paper on agriculture in general but
> in that she specifically mentions right to repair:
>
> https://medium.com/@teamwarren/leveling-the-playing-field-for-americas-family-farmers-823d1994f067
>
>
> I am watching the right to repair movement closely.
>
> Spencer
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 16, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Al Jones <farmallsupera1 at gmail.com
> <mailto:farmallsupera1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> No.  If your tachometer goes bad, you get a new one with 0000.0 hours.
>>
>> Al
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 11:52 PM Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net
>> <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Probably not, and the mileage on the title of an auto or truck is
>>     nothing that can be relied on...   I used to be able to tell by
>>     the wear
>>     on floorboards, rust, paint scratches etc if a trucks mileage was
>>     right.  Tractors are a different animal.  Usually just change the
>>     tires
>>     and if repainted, change the hoses and belts, new seat and cab
>>     interior
>>     and it is a new tractor.
>>
>>     Cecil
>>
>>     On 9/15/2019 8:36 PM, Jack wrote:
>>     > Tractors are not titled. Automobiles and trucks are. When you
>>     sell an auto, you record the mileage at time of sale and your
>>     signature. Is it even illegal to alter the hour meter on a tractor?
>>     >
>>     > -----Original Message-----
>>     > From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>     <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>> On Behalf Of Cecil
>>     Bearden
>>     > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2019 7:33 PM
>>     > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>     <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>     > Subject: Re: [AT] Statistics In Tractor Manufacturing Was
>>     Bicycle Program
>>     >
>>     > The New Holland Money Pit is what it is because somewhere in
>>     its history the hour meter was turned back.  New tires were
>>     installed and it was made to look like a 5 yr old tractor with
>>     about 200 hrs per year.
>>     > Cecil
>>     >
>>     > On 9/14/2019 10:26 AM, James Peck wrote:
>>     >> Some years ago I did participate in an academic Statistical
>>     Quality Control course. Much of the course involved the Weibull
>>     Distribution. If I remember correctly, the Weibull Curve
>>     predicted the lifespan of a manufactured assembly such as a
>>     tractor.  It appears to be a gift from the mathematicians.
>>     >>
>>     >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weibull_distribution
>>     >>
>>     >> The same distribution probably predicts that Cecil’s New
>>     Holland money pit will continue to be so and will suffer an early
>>     demise.
>>     >>
>>     >> [Stephen Offiler] I never took a whole semester of
>>     Statistics.  Instead, we had a course called Engineering
>>     Experimentation, which was heavy on experiment design and
>>     statistical data analysis.  That gave me a very good appreciation
>>     for the practical application of statistics.   Out in the real
>>     world, on-the-job training programs in quality control principles
>>     in manufacturing (Deming, Juran, Lean Six Sigma) continued to
>>     solidify the practical applications.
>>     >>
>>     >> [Cecil Bearden] Steve: I nearly flunked statistics I only
>>     passed because I was a graduating senior.  However, I did flunk
>>     Rocks & Clods 2124 and had to find another 4 hours to graduate.  
>>     Then 35 years later I retire as a Geotechnical engineer designing
>>     foundations. !!!
>>     >>
>>     >> [Stephen Offiler] I'm not sure if that is an interesting
>>     statistic, or simply predictable statistically.  All you just
>>     said is that a bell-curve distribution for 2-year degrees
>>     overlaps a bell-curve distribution for 4-year degrees.
>>     >>
>>     >> [ James Peck] The interesting statistic is that some technical
>>     2 year programs have higher starting incomes than many 4 year
>>     degree programs. People who complete such a program can later
>>     take a 2+2 program to get a four year degree if they choose.
>>     >>
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