<div dir="ltr">Another opinion. Admittedly there's been quite a bit of off-topic stuff these days, but on the other hand, this list can get VERY quiet when we try too hard to stay completely on-topic. There's a happy medium. Spencer does a fine job of keeping us generally in line as far as I'm concerned. I'd rather see, and delete, some modest quantity of off-topic stuff than see the list go dead for days and even weeks on end.<div><br></div><div>Steve O.<br><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 1:29 PM Mitchell Daly <<a href="mailto:md31043@msn.com">md31043@msn.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:36 AM<br>
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Some how we've gone from Antique Tractors.</div>
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the engineering courses we've taken or should have.</div>
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To offshore manufacturing quality.</div>
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Could have, would have installed. up grading, what have you.</div>
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It does have any software needing to be upgraded.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:55 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam <<a href="mailto:tmehrkam@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">tmehrkam@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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In the 70s we all had to take corporate value engineering classes. "How to engineer all the value out." Some people did not have enough sense it ignore the BS.<br id="gmail-m_4386285029749414350x_gmail-m_8200918532328447902yMail_cursorElementTracker_1571752328742">
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Windows 10 convinced me it was time to retire.<br clear="none">
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I developed software mainly for Unix and Linux with some Vax VMS?? DX10 <br clear="none">
one of T.Is systems and many real time OS for Motorola 68000, TI 9900, <br clear="none">
Power PC etc.?? Much of the early work in machine language. With some <br clear="none">
Windoze thrown in. XP and 7 was ok.?? Almost great compared to XP.<br clear="none">
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XP convinced me it was time to retire. The worse of Microsoft's crap <br clear="none">
OS's. Even worse than writing assembly and Cobal for Univac 1108 <br clear="none">
systems. :-{?? We built a Seismic Acquisition system that could record <br clear="none">
data from 40,000 stations at a 2MS sample rate.?? XP brought that to a <br clear="none">
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On 10/21/2019 11:45 AM, Phil Auten wrote:<br clear="none">
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> running Vista (yuck). The other one is about a 2006 model and runs XP. <br clear="none">
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> On 10/20/2019 11:39 PM, <a href="mailto:deanvp@att.net" shape="rect" target="_blank">
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>> for help.<br clear="none">
>> I have completely given up on calling any kind of help line for <br clear="none">
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>> went through that recently.?? Some time in the past I changed from double<br clear="none">
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>> forgotten how I did it.?? For me the obvious place to look was on the <br clear="none">
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>> of the mouse. Wrong.?? I put up with the change far too long and <br clear="none">
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>> -----Original Message-----<br clear="none">
>> From: AT <<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" shape="rect" target="_blank">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>> On Behalf Of James Peck<br clear="none">
>> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 11:18 AM<br clear="none">
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>> <<a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" shape="rect" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br clear="none">
>> Subject: Re: [AT] 1970's farm equipment<br clear="none">
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>> I worked for a GM division a little in the late sixties. The focus <br clear="none">
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>> [Henry Miller] The 1970s when efficiency experts ruled every thing <br clear="none">
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>> bean counters. Cut cost and quality were number one. The auto world <br clear="none">
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>> to that standard with predictable results.<br clear="none">
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>> Modern just in time is often very inefficient, but the cost savings<br clear="none">
>> elsewhere make it vastly more cost effective. Consumers have also <br clear="none">
>> caught on<br clear="none">
>> to the idea that quality is sometimes worth paying for. Where the above<br clear="none">
>> doesn't apply is a race to the bottom that we can't win. China, like <br clear="none">
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>> and Japan before them is starting to drop out of the game. Africa is<br clear="none">
>> probably next in my opinion: Vietnam and Pakistan play a bit but they <br clear="none">
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>> not large enough and to beat China and they are not far behind China <br clear="none">
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>> getting out of that hole. India could win for a while, but they have <br clear="none">
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>> of smart people who know how to make quality (training on the job in <br clear="none">
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