[AT] tractor hauling truck

Wed Nov 27 06:29:07 PST 2019

Given the makeup of ATIS - people who are fans of old farm tractors - I'd
be pretty surprised to find anyone here who truly likes it.

But on my Facebook feed, I am seeing some small fraction of my friends who
DO like it.  Demographics on my group of friends there are FAR more broad,
in terms of age, education, socio-economic status, political orientation,
etc.  Still a smal fraction by my completely informal estimation.  Now take
180,000 and divide by the number of vehicles sold annually in the USA, call
it 18 million.  So, 1/1000.  Yeah, that sounds about right.  How many of
them are hauling kids to soccer practice, and how many of them are farmers
and tradespeople who actually need a pickup?

SO

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 8:37 AM Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net> wrote:

> I got an email yesterday saying that they already had orders for over 180K
> of those ugly electric "pickups"...
> Cecil
> On 11/27/2019 5:17 AM, Mattias Kessén wrote:
>
> I can't even imagine how someone even can come up with the idea of
> something that ugly.
>
> Reminds me of when Honda were gonna begin marketing the new Honda Fitta.
> Later called Jazz in Europe and (I believe) Fit in the rest of the world.
> They've even made brochures with the slogan "Small on the outside, big on
> the inside". Problem is that fitta in swedish means cunt. All scandinavians
> and many people in northern Europe knows that.
> I think you all can imagine how many funny "car tests" that were made from
> that... I was takin' the .... for a ride. It was a pleasant... etc.
>
> Med vänlig hälsning
>
> Mattias Kessén
>
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> 594 93 Gamleby
>
> 070-523 59 00
>
>
> Den lör 23 nov. 2019 kl 03:13 skrev Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com>:
>
>> I am sort of a Luddite.  Well, at least, I'm the opposite of an "early
>> adopter" consumer. Late adopter I guess?
>>
>> The idea of electric vehicles gives me range anxiety.  That's a real
>> thing, a concept explored by GM with their EV-1.  Remember that electric
>> car?  They built 1000 and leased them so they could get them all back. It
>> was a giant engineering experiment that I found brilliant.   But a whole
>> bunch of environmentalists who didn't grasp that concept hate GM to this
>> day because they couldn't keep their EV-1.  I guess they didn't read the
>> fine print.
>>
>> Anyway, you can keep your electric cars (and now trucks) until they
>> cost on par with a petrol-fueled equivalent, and recharge more rapidly than
>> they do now, and charging stations are everywhere.  I refuse to accept less
>> convenience and less utility for higher cost.
>>
>> SO
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 8:42 PM Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That trip range does not take into account running the air conditioner,
>>> heater, defroster, Wipers and lights....  My wife & I bought some Dewalt
>>> electric heated coats on sale a couple of years ago.  They were just barely
>>> more than the regular price of a battery and included a 12 and 115 volt
>>> charger and an adapter for USB to charge your phone.  They sold out along
>>> the east Coast for the folks using them to commute and could not keep warm
>>> in the Chevy Volt and Toyota Prius when running lights heater defroster and
>>> wipers in snow while commuting to work..
>>> When that cost per mile is figured in does it take into consideration
>>> the battery life and the replacement cost.  I talked to a Prius owner who
>>> had a 2 yr old one on the original battery and was looking to trade it in
>>> for a new one as the battery cost was a small fortune...
>>> On another note, my Polaris Ranger 1000cc with EFI is the hardest thing
>>> on the place to start when the temp is under 45deg.    After the dealer
>>> tuning it up and changing oil, it still is the hardest thing to start on
>>> the planet...    I bought a couple of plugs this afternoon to make sure the
>>> dealer changed them....
>>> I wish I had bought a Kubota Diesel with A/C.  The more I deal with
>>> gasoline engines the more I want to convert them to propane or diesel.
>>> I'm thinking seriously of adapting my "new" skid steer to propane.  It has
>>> a VG4d Wisconsin.  I have an air cooled heat exchanger for up to 60hp.  The
>>> tank would add counterbalance weight.
>>> Cecil
>>> On 11/22/2019 5:44 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>> I just wonder how many fully charged cell phones it will take to "limp
>>> it home" if it gets totally discharged.  😀
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 11:39 AM Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> LOL!  Agreed.  When I saw the "Tri-motor AWD" with sub 2.9 sec 0-60 and
>>>> a claimed 500 mi range, I was thinking that's got to be a huge battery and
>>>> expected Model-S level pricetag.
>>>>
>>>> My earlier comment assumes we have more than a few List members willing
>>>> to voice an opinion on newfangled electric vehicle technology.
>>>>
>>>> SO
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 11:32 AM Spencer Yost <spencer at rdfarms.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What?   Everyone needs a tractor hauling truck.   Even if it’s too
>>>>> fancy for its own good, is super ugly, has terrible range, and cost too
>>>>> much. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually the cost was a tad less than I expected.   I did notice the
>>>>> three engine/tow ratings were designed to approximate a half ton,
>>>>> three-quarter ton, and 1 ton trucks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 22, 2019, at 11:23 AM, Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh boy... here we go... and Spencer started it!
>>>>>
>>>>> SO
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 11:13 AM Spencer Yost <spencer at rdfarms.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Super ugly:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck/design#battery
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I’m sure sometime in the next 4 to 6 years we will see one in
>>>>>> Portland with an antique tractor behind it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m sure the range will stink while towing; at least at first. But
>>>>>> I’ll bet towing with electric motors would probably be pretty awesome.
>>>>>> Would not mind trying it once.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spencer
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