[AT] Was Old tractor question; now collection dynamics.

Cecil Bearden crbearden at copper.net
Thu Feb 14 06:29:07 PST 2019


Farmer:

Be very careful about that 1155 V-8 diesel.   They are a money 
pit...     Those masseys have a hydraulic system that has three separate 
pressure systems.   the o-rings can go bad and give you a real 
headache.   Make sure the multi power works and try the PTO on the mower 
to be sure the pto clutch is holding.    That V-8 diesel has to operate 
at a lot higher rpm than a 6cyl and it uses a LOT of fuel....  We owned 
one for several years.

Cecil


On 2/14/2019 3:51 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote:
> Son Scott who some of you know from Portland, has a bit of the tractor 
> bug these days. He has a project Case VAI with a nice really heavy 
> mid-mount sickle mower on it. Needs tires paint and the engine is 
> stuck but generally things appear OK. It is sitting in one of my barns 
> with "stuff" in the cylinders.
> He picked up an earlyish Farmall Cub and a couple of months ago he 
> acquired a more recent yellow and white Farmall Cub. Both are project 
> tractors but not scary projects.
> He acquired a Ford 8N that we had running when he brought it home, has 
> a noisy bearing on the transmission input shaft. Shouldn't be much of 
> a problem, everything else worked.
> He has a nice looking, good running MF-175D (wide front) that he uses 
> to run his 7' bush-hog and his 15' bat-wing mower.
> He is getting to where he has problems from working in dusty 
> conditions and this week he is looking at a very clean MF 1155 V-8 
> Diesel with a nice cab. It's more HP (140) than he was after but it 
> should loaf with that bat-wing and like in many of our cases, he just 
> always wanted one.  :-) We looked it over carefully with no one around 
> last Saturday and it's pretty impressive. If his schedule permits he 
> wants me to go with him to test drive it tomorrow.
> Hopefully a pic is attached if I remember it.  :-)
> Scott's biggest tractor problem is time to work on them, he works a 
> lot of hours. Still, unlike me it doesn't take him 3 days to do a 1 
> hour job...  :-)
>
>
> .
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 12:05 AM Dean Vinson <dean at vinsonfarm.net 
> <mailto:dean at vinsonfarm.net>> wrote:
>
>     Good thread, Spencer.   I’m in the “caught my interest when I was
>     younger” crowd.   My dad grew up in the 40s/early 50s with his
>     dad’s Farmall F-20s, and he and his buddies lusted after the fast
>     and sexy Ms.   He somehow passed that on to me, I guess through
>     his stories and comments and general attitude toward tractors when
>     I was a kid.   I left the farm in my 20s, but by about 30 I had a
>     license plate that said “M FARML.”   Now it’s almost 30 years
>     later and I’m back out in the country and on my third M-series
>     tractor (and my license plate still says that).
>
>     I also had some kid/teenager experiences around folks who had
>     two-cylinder Deeres, and the sound of one lugging up over a hill
>     will surely trigger fond memories for as long as I live.   When I
>     reached the point of needing a tractor with 3-point and live PTO,
>     and a nice 620 crossed my path, I was plenty ready to write the check.
>
>     My Ford 3600 is a direct result of my teenage years working for a
>     farmer who had a then-brand-new 4600. Great all-around utility
>     tractor.   I wanted a mowing tractor with a low center of gravity,
>     saw an ad for the 3600, and figured it was just as handy and more
>     appropriately sized to my needs than a 4600.
>
>     Haven’t bought any others in a while, and don’t foresee doing so
>     for another while.   But a narrow-front diesel 4020 is on the list
>     because, well, just because.   I also wouldn’t kick an Oliver 77
>     or Cockshutt 30 out of the barn.
>
>     Dean Vinson
>
>     Saint Paris, Ohio
>
>     *From:*AT [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>     <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>] *On Behalf Of
>     *Spencer Yost
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:39 PM
>     *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>     <at at lists.antique-tractor.com <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>>
>     *Subject:* [AT] Was Old tractor question; now collection dynamics.
>
>     Why did you own what you have owned? Farmer started it; as he
>     usually does....
>
>     The preponderance of narrow front tractors a tractor shows is sort
>     of a weird variation on self-selection bias. When people collect
>     tractors, they tend to collect what caught  their interest when
>     they were younger and imprinted in their memories.  So their
>     memories are screaming “let me into the sample!“.  Those memories
>     are reinforced by nostalgic pictures of Farmall Ms, John Deere
>     A’s, etc.
>
>     Having lived in Pennsylvania, and seen many horses but very few
>     tractors, I don’t  really have a bias that I can sense and
>     explains the menagerie of tractors I have owned.
>
>      I bought my Farmall A because it was close, handy, and i knew of
>     a mower i could put on it.  I bought my Pacer because i was
>     looking for a project, it was close, from a co-worker, it was
>     handy, and it was a good price even though it was rusted stuck.
>     Every tractor was a weird twist of fate. I’ve inherited one(friend
>     who passed), got a call out of the blue, you name it.  I have
>     probably owned around 30 tractors; they have all come and gone
>     after I got them running and made them happy(a few went to scrap
>     when I made a mistake in assessment). They are a complete
>     smorgasbord of anything and everything you can imagine.
>
>     I’ve settled on my Ford 861, MH Pacer and JD 430V. I’ll probably
>     die with these.  If there is any pattern, it is obvious that I
>     prefer tractors from the 50s.
>
>     My collection pride and joy was a complete set of the Massey
>     Harris “equine” tractors. I had a Pony, Pacer, Colt and a Mustang.
>     A guy came along and offered me more money than I could refuse and
>     now they are gone. My original Pacer remains.
>
>     In addition I rebuilt the engines  of 6-8 tractors in this area
>     around 1990-2000.  I still see a few mowing and brush-hogging from
>     time to time. That’s  probably my greatest reward.
>
>     A friend recently said he is about to give me his family’s Ford
>      8N  for engine rebuilding. Hopefully I can post on that from time
>     to time(Don’t hold your breath: he said that a year ago too. :-) ).
>
>     Spencer Yost
>
>
>     On Feb 13, 2019, at 9:14 PM, Indiana Robinson
>     <robinson46176 at gmail.com <mailto:robinson46176 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         You are right Greg, my 4020 Deere was narrow front. Not my
>         first choice but it was a very good buy on a very good
>         tractor. It did have the Roll-a-matic and that did help a lot
>         on handling and ride. It was also very heavy and thus quite
>         stable.
>
>         For most things wide front / narrow front doesn't really
>         matter to me I have always adapted easily, even to a #%&^ hand
>         clutch.  :-)
>
>         My father's first tractor, a 9N Ford, bought new in early
>         1942, of course, an adjustable wide front. My grandfather
>         never owned a tractor nor a car/truck, only horses.
>
>         The rebuilt McCormick 10-20, acquired during those tractor
>         shortage post war years mentioned was a "standard tread"
>         wheat-land style front axle. It was traded for a decent 1939
>         Chrysler sedan in 1951.
>
>         The Ferguson TO-20, bought new about 1949 was an adjustable
>         wide front.
>
>         By 1952 - 53 my older sister and I were putting in hours
>         running tractors and my father became largely committed to low
>         slung wide front tractors for safety reasons. About 1952 a
>         John Deere MC crawler came to the farm and I spent a lot of
>         time on it and later the Deere 40C crawler, bought new, that
>         the MC was traded in on. Is a crawler a "wide front"?  :-)
>         Very high stability.
>
>         In very early 1954 the 9N was traded for the 1953 Ford
>         Jubilee, of course also a wide front low slung tractor. That
>         one had 2 clutches, one foot and one hand for live PTO.
>
>         The Deere 40C was traded for a IHC 300U, also low and wide front.
>
>         I don't actually ever recall ever even driving a tricycle
>         front tractor until we got the Allis Chalmers C that a close
>         family friend had bought new in 1946 and owned for 20 years.
>         We used it a lot for stationary PTO use like elevators and
>         augers and using the mid-mount sickle mower. I still have that
>         tractor and it has been to a number of shows.
>
>         We stayed with ear corn longer than most, we had a Kentucky
>         connection who would pay a premium for good ear corn for
>         cattle feed. My father found a very good used New Idea 2 row
>         mounted picker with mountings for a Farmall M. We found a good
>         Farmall Super M tricycle (that I still have) to mount that
>         picker on. I then found my Farmall Super MTA tricycle which
>         was ideal for that picker with independent PTO and TA. (I
>         still have that one too) It has been to Portland before.
>
>         The Farmall 400 LP bought just because we wanted it is a wide
>         front. I still have it but it is not currently running, needs
>         an engine rebuild.
>
>         The MM-R with a #$%^ hand clutch, is a narrow front. Still
>         have it, bought it at an uncle's auction. It has been shown a
>         number of times including Portland.
>
>         The 1948 John Deere A is a Roll-a-matic narrow front with a
>         #$%^ hand clutch.
>
>         Ferguson TO-20 (not our old original) wide front. Used almost
>         daily.
>
>         1946 Case VAC, narrow front, also in regular use.
>
>         1947 Farmall Cub and a (I forget the year) Massey Harris Pony.
>         Both wide front but not very wide.  :-)
>
>         I almost forgot my MF-165D wide front. I have some of it apart
>         but maybe I will get there next fall. Priorities are different
>         when you no longer actually farm...
>
>         Oh and 2 8N Fords. One nearly done and one not started on and
>         not really a priority.
>
>         Also a Case VAC that hasn't decided if it is a project or a
>         parts tractor. A narrow front.
>
>         I guess That's everybody.
>
>         I guess that my biggest complaint about narrow fronts is how
>         they can turn into virtual bulldozers in extremely soft wet soil.
>
>         Speaking of moving tractors around, I see a lot of single
>         fronts at shows here these days but I never saw any of them
>         growing up...
>
>         .
>
>         On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 6:40 PM Greg Hass <ghass at m3isp.com
>         <mailto:ghass at m3isp.com>> wrote:
>
>             This is a question I have wondered about for years
>             although it is not
>             world changing. The question is: why are some areas mostly
>             wide front
>             and others narrow front tractors?  In our area of
>             Michigan, as soon as
>             wide front became available almost 100% went with wide front.
>             Personally, I hate narrow front tractors with a passion. I
>             would never
>             get a narrow front tractor except maybe an old 2 cylinder
>             JD or
>             something like a Farmall F-12 where wide front either did
>             not exist or
>             is extremely rare. I know that in some areas the larger
>             tractors had
>             narrow front because of mounted corn pickers. From videos
>             other areas
>             had narrow fronts. If you Google  ( tractors from the
>             past, plowing in
>             1962) you will find many tractors plowing but I didn't see
>             a single wide
>             front even on a couple new generation JD's. I don't know
>             where the video
>             was filmed but I suspect Indiana because of the fields and
>             the way they
>             raised the plows to go over grassed waterways; something I
>             still see
>             when we travel there to see our kids. I'm not sure, but I
>             think the 4020
>             Farmer used to own had a narrow front. Also why does no
>             one make narrow
>             front anymore? In the video, even the Ford disking has a
>             narrow front,
>             something I have never seen in our area and in years past
>             there were a
>             lot of Fords around us. Comments anyone.
>                         Greg Hass
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