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<p>Farmer:</p>
<p>Be very careful about that 1155 V-8 diesel. They are a money
pit... Those masseys have a hydraulic system that has three
separate pressure systems. the o-rings can go bad and give you a
real headache. Make sure the multi power works and try the PTO
on the mower to be sure the pto clutch is holding. That V-8
diesel has to operate at a lot higher rpm than a 6cyl and it uses
a LOT of fuel.... We owned one for several years. <br>
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<p>Cecil<br>
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<div>Son Scott who some of you know from Portland, has a bit of
the tractor bug these days. He has a project Case VAI with a
nice really heavy mid-mount sickle mower on it. Needs tires
paint and the engine is stuck but generally things appear OK.
It is sitting in one of my barns with "stuff" in the
cylinders.</div>
<div>He picked up an earlyish Farmall Cub and a couple of months
ago he acquired a more recent yellow and white Farmall Cub.
Both are project tractors but not scary projects.</div>
<div>He acquired a Ford 8N that we had running when he brought
it home, has a noisy bearing on the transmission input shaft.
Shouldn't be much of a problem, everything else worked.</div>
<div>He has a nice looking, good running MF-175D (wide front)
that he uses to run his 7' bush-hog and his 15' bat-wing
mower.</div>
<div>He is getting to where he has problems from working in
dusty conditions and this week he is looking at a very clean
MF 1155 V-8 Diesel with a nice cab. It's more HP (140) than he
was after but it should loaf with that bat-wing and like in
many of our cases, he just always wanted one. :-) We looked
it over carefully with no one around last Saturday and it's
pretty impressive. If his schedule permits he wants me to go
with him to test drive it tomorrow.</div>
<div>Hopefully a pic is attached if I remember it. :-)</div>
<div>Scott's biggest tractor problem is time to work on them, he
works a lot of hours. Still, unlike me it doesn't take him 3
days to do a 1 hour job... :-)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Good
thread, Spencer. I’m in the “caught my interest when
I was younger” crowd. My dad grew up in the
40s/early 50s with his dad’s Farmall F-20s, and he and
his buddies lusted after the fast and sexy Ms. He
somehow passed that on to me, I guess through his
stories and comments and general attitude toward
tractors when I was a kid. I left the farm in my
20s, but by about 30 I had a license plate that said
“M FARML.” Now it’s almost 30 years later and I’m
back out in the country and on my third M-series
tractor (and my license plate still says that).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
also had some kid/teenager experiences around folks
who had two-cylinder Deeres, and the sound of one
lugging up over a hill will surely trigger fond
memories for as long as I live. When I reached the
point of needing a tractor with 3-point and live PTO,
and a nice 620 crossed my path, I was plenty ready to
write the check.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">My
Ford 3600 is a direct result of my teenage years
working for a farmer who had a then-brand-new 4600.
Great all-around utility tractor. I wanted a mowing
tractor with a low center of gravity, saw an ad for
the 3600, and figured it was just as handy and more
appropriately sized to my needs than a 4600.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Haven’t
bought any others in a while, and don’t foresee doing
so for another while. But a narrow-front diesel 4020
is on the list because, well, just because. I also
wouldn’t kick an Oliver 77 or Cockshutt 30 out of the
barn. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dean
Vinson</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Saint
Paris, Ohio</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Spencer Yost<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:39 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [AT] Was Old tractor question; now
collection dynamics.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Why did you own what you have owned?
Farmer started it; as he usually does....</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The preponderance of narrow front
tractors a tractor shows is sort of a weird variation
on self-selection bias. When people collect tractors,
they tend to collect what caught their interest when
they were younger and imprinted in their memories. So
their memories are screaming “let me into the
sample!“. Those memories are reinforced by nostalgic
pictures of Farmall Ms, John Deere A’s, etc.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Having lived in Pennsylvania, and
seen many horses but very few tractors, I don’t
really have a bias that I can sense and explains
the menagerie of tractors I have owned. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> I bought my Farmall A because it
was close, handy, and i knew of a mower i could put
on it. I bought my Pacer because i was looking for
a project, it was close, from a co-worker, it was
handy, and it was a good price even though it was
rusted stuck. Every tractor was a weird twist of
fate. I’ve inherited one(friend who passed), got a
call out of the blue, you name it. I have probably
owned around 30 tractors; they have all come and
gone after I got them running and made them happy(a
few went to scrap when I made a mistake in
assessment). They are a complete smorgasbord of
anything and everything you can imagine.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve settled on my Ford 861, MH
Pacer and JD 430V. I’ll probably die with these. If
there is any pattern, it is obvious that I prefer
tractors from the 50s.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My collection pride and joy was a
complete set of the Massey Harris “equine” tractors.
I had a Pony, Pacer, Colt and a Mustang. A guy came
along and offered me more money than I could refuse
and now they are gone. My original Pacer remains.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In addition I rebuilt the engines
of 6-8 tractors in this area around 1990-2000. I
still see a few mowing and brush-hogging from time
to time. That’s probably my greatest reward. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">A
friend recently said he is about to give me his
family’s Ford 8N for engine rebuilding. Hopefully
I can post on that from time to time(Don’t hold your
breath: he said that a year ago too. :-) ).</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Spencer Yost</p>
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On Feb 13, 2019, at 9:14 PM, Indiana Robinson <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">You are right Greg, my
4020 Deere was narrow front. Not my first
choice but it was a very good buy on a very
good tractor. It did have the Roll-a-matic
and that did help a lot on handling and
ride. It was also very heavy and thus quite
stable.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For most things wide
front / narrow front doesn't really matter
to me I have always adapted easily, even to
a #%&^ hand clutch. :-)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My father's first
tractor, a 9N Ford, bought new in early
1942, of course, an adjustable wide front.
My grandfather never owned a tractor nor a
car/truck, only horses.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The rebuilt McCormick
10-20, acquired during those tractor
shortage post war years mentioned was a
"standard tread" wheat-land style front
axle. It was traded for a decent 1939
Chrysler sedan in 1951.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The Ferguson TO-20,
bought new about 1949 was an adjustable wide
front. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">By 1952 - 53 my older
sister and I were putting in hours running
tractors and my father became largely
committed to low slung wide front tractors
for safety reasons. About 1952 a John Deere
MC crawler came to the farm and I spent a
lot of time on it and later the Deere 40C
crawler, bought new, that the MC was traded
in on. Is a crawler a "wide front"? :-)
Very high stability.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In very early 1954 the 9N
was traded for the 1953 Ford Jubilee, of
course also a wide front low slung tractor.
That one had 2 clutches, one foot and one
hand for live PTO.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The Deere 40C was traded
for a IHC 300U, also low and wide front.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't actually ever
recall ever even driving a tricycle front
tractor until we got the Allis Chalmers C
that a close family friend had bought new in
1946 and owned for 20 years. We used it a
lot for stationary PTO use like elevators
and augers and using the mid-mount sickle
mower. I still have that tractor and it has
been to a number of shows.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We stayed with ear corn
longer than most, we had a Kentucky
connection who would pay a premium for good
ear corn for cattle feed. My father found a
very good used New Idea 2 row mounted picker
with mountings for a Farmall M. We found a
good Farmall Super M tricycle (that I still
have) to mount that picker on. I then found
my Farmall Super MTA tricycle which was
ideal for that picker with independent PTO
and TA. (I still have that one too) It has
been to Portland before.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The Farmall 400 LP bought
just because we wanted it is a wide front. I
still have it but it is not currently
running, needs an engine rebuild.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The MM-R with a #$%^ hand
clutch, is a narrow front. Still have it,
bought it at an uncle's auction. It has been
shown a number of times including Portland.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The 1948 John Deere A is
a Roll-a-matic narrow front with a #$%^ hand
clutch.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ferguson TO-20 (not our
old original) wide front. Used almost daily.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1946 Case VAC, narrow
front, also in regular use.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1947 Farmall Cub and a (I
forget the year) Massey Harris Pony. Both
wide front but not very wide. :-)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I almost forgot my
MF-165D wide front. I have some of it apart
but maybe I will get there next fall.
Priorities are different when you no longer
actually farm...</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Oh and 2 8N Fords. One
nearly done and one not started on and not
really a priority.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also a Case VAC that
hasn't decided if it is a project or a parts
tractor. A narrow front.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I guess That's everybody.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I guess that my biggest
complaint about narrow fronts is how they
can turn into virtual bulldozers in
extremely soft wet soil.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Speaking of moving
tractors around, I see a lot of single
fronts at shows here these days but I never
saw any of them growing up...</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at
6:40 PM Greg Hass <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is a question I have
wondered about for years although it is not
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world changing. The question is: why are
some areas mostly wide front <br>
and others narrow front tractors? In our
area of Michigan, as soon as <br>
wide front became available almost 100% went
with wide front. <br>
Personally, I hate narrow front tractors
with a passion. I would never <br>
get a narrow front tractor except maybe an
old 2 cylinder JD or <br>
something like a Farmall F-12 where wide
front either did not exist or <br>
is extremely rare. I know that in some areas
the larger tractors had <br>
narrow front because of mounted corn
pickers. From videos other areas <br>
had narrow fronts. If you Google ( tractors
from the past, plowing in <br>
1962) you will find many tractors plowing
but I didn't see a single wide <br>
front even on a couple new generation JD's.
I don't know where the video <br>
was filmed but I suspect Indiana because of
the fields and the way they <br>
raised the plows to go over grassed
waterways; something I still see <br>
when we travel there to see our kids. I'm
not sure, but I think the 4020 <br>
Farmer used to own had a narrow front. Also
why does no one make narrow <br>
front anymore? In the video, even the Ford
disking has a narrow front, <br>
something I have never seen in our area and
in years past there were a <br>
lot of Fords around us. Comments anyone.<br>
Greg Hass<br>
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