[AT] Antique tractors that are too expensive
Mike M
meulenms at gmx.com
Mon Dec 23 14:10:59 PST 2019
Dean, you have my condolences, what an awful thing to walk in on. I hope
you have a good support system, it's usually first responders that have
to deal with that.
Regards,
Mike M
On 12/23/2019 2:57 PM, deanvp wrote:
> I have just had a terrible experience. I mentioned earlier about my
> Trailer Queen buying experience from the son of a close friend on AZ
> who passed away on November. I went over there today and found the son
> on the floor of the shop passed away some time during the night. What
> a thing to walk into. I just can't fathom how his mother who just
> lost her husband last month and now also a son is going to handle
> this. She is not in good health either. When it rains it pours.
> Really a disturbing day
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com>
> Date: 12/23/19 9:44 AM (GMT-07:00)
> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Antique tractors that are too expensive
>
> Ok thanks Cecil. Mine is definitely not a 350-lb Idealarc. Mine is
> just an older version of this $700 MSRP machine ($620 on Amazon and
> Home Depot)
>
> https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/Equipment/Pages/product.aspx?product=K1297(LincolnElectric)
>
>
> PS: plexiglas? I get that you need electrical isolation since
> polarity is backward, but don't those diodes need to be heat-sinked?
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 10:22 AM Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net
> <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>> wrote:
>
> It doesn't have to be old Maybe I should have stated that what
> sets these welders apart is the IDEALARC 250 designation, that
> welder sells new for MSRP 2892.00 see this link
> https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/equipment/stick-welders/Pages/idealarc.aspx
> The new ones are square box not the old tombstone. I have a
> couple of the newer ones here that I have not checked out. The
> one I use all the time had a burned out diode and I found one on
> Ebay but it was the wrong polarity, so I mounted it on plexiglass
> and ran it reversed and it works fine. Liincoln wants over $300
> for the diodes. I got mine for $20 !! The diodes are all I have
> ever had to replace on them. The transformers are built
> extremely heavy. The welder weighs probably 350lbs. There are
> some on Ebay for about $600 but the shipping runs the cost up.
> Like everything at Farm sales, there is someone there who has some
> sentimental attachment to the item and pays a fortune. I saw 2
> brothers bid on an old desk that belonged to their Uncle and paid
> over $2500 for a desk that I have seen in a thrift store for $20
> !!!!!!
> Cecil
>
> On 12/23/2019 7:27 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>> Again I inquire, how old is old? Is my late '70's ish tombstone
>> old enough? (I'd take a grand for it in a heartbeat and put it
>> towards a modern TIG/stick unit)
>>
>> SO
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 8:13 AM Cecil Bearden
>> <crbearden at copper.net <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>> wrote:
>>
>> At a Farm sale about 3 months ago, an old 225 AC/DC Lincoln
>> went for $1200, the leads were about to fall apart. It
>> looked like it had a rod holder from 1945!!
>> Cecil
>>
>> On 12/23/2019 6:30 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>> Hold on, you say old LIncoln tombstones go for a grand? How
>>> old do they have to be? I've got a 225 AC/DC that I picked
>>> up at an auction for $50, had to be 20 years ago, and it was
>>> certainly not new then. As a wild guess I'd say it must be
>>> late '70's to early 80's. Externally it doesn't seem much
>>> different from modern ones and I greatly doubt mine is old
>>> enough to be worth anything. Curious though.
>>>
>>> SO
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 6:22 PM Cecil Bearden
>>> <crbearden at copper.net <mailto:crbearden at copper.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I always wanted an old Lincoln "tombstone"225 AC/DC
>>> welder. They sell at auction for over $1000. An old
>>> local farmer had an estate auction and I was at the back
>>> of the crowd when his Lincoln Tombstone welder came up
>>> for auction. I got it for $400, but after I got it home
>>> is was a tombstone, but it was AC only..... I finally
>>> got the chance to buy one on Craigs list for $600. Then
>>> a year later I bought 4 that had been rebuilt for a
>>> VO-Tech out west for $450 for the lot!!! I first
>>> welded with one of them during college at OSU. I fell in
>>> love with the welder. Those welders have an open arc
>>> voltage of about 90V. They will make you jump when
>>> welding on wet stuff... However, they run 7018 LH as
>>> pretty as you could ever want. I have mounted one on a
>>> 15KW generator for a portable welder. It works great
>>> and I have plenty of power to run grinders etc.
>>> Cecil
>>>
>>> On 12/22/2019 2:59 PM, deanvp at att.net
>>> <mailto:deanvp at att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I purchased my used Lincoln 225 AMP arc welder for $100
>>>> at a swap meet. It is quite old. I haven’t taken the
>>>> time to try to figure out how old but I wanted to buy
>>>> an older one after looking at new ones. I looked at the
>>>> guts of a new one vs how the old ones were built and
>>>> decided an old one would last longer and probably weld
>>>> better. I’ve had it 10 years and it is ready to go
>>>> every time I need it. IMHO, sometimes new isn’t always
>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>> Dean VP
>>>>
>>>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>>>
>>>> *From:*AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Mike M
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 21, 2019 9:38 AM
>>>> *To:* at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Antique tractors that are too expensive
>>>>
>>>> I've also seen people bid way too high, they get caught
>>>> up in the excitement. I was standing next to a guy who
>>>> was bidding on an old tombstone welder. I wanted it
>>>> too. I think he ended up paying $300 for it. You could
>>>> buy a new one for less than that. It's pays to know
>>>> what things cost before bidding on them. I was bidding,
>>>> but dropped out at $150, because that is all I was
>>>> willing to pay.
>>>>
>>>> Mike M
>>>>
>>>> On 12/22/2019 12:13 AM, Spencer Yost wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have all seen it: the tractor the seller is
>>>> asking way too much for. Or conversely; why buyers
>>>> don’t show up for our obviously wonderful tractor
>>>> that we post in EBay/Craigslist/whatever.
>>>>
>>>> So listening to podcasts tonight, I ran across a
>>>> podcast that was discussing many things, including
>>>> a discussion with a psychologist from Berkeley who
>>>> was explaining the “endowment effect”. I was
>>>> unaware of this. Though I had intuited it many
>>>> times I did not know it was a “thing”.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Long story short it explains why people often seem
>>>> to ask way more for a tractor that I’m willing to pay.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endowment_effect
>>>>
>>>> https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C34&q=endowment+effect&oq=endowment+
>>>>
>>>> Interestingly, this is true regardless of how long
>>>> they owned it or whether it had any other type
>>>> (e.g. nostalgia) of value.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, the podcast did not describe how I,
>>>> the buyer, could negotiate my way around this.
>>>>
>>>> PS: I will be that seller if I ever sell the
>>>> Pacer. (-;
>>>>
>>>> Spencer
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
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