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Dean, you have my condolences, what an awful thing to walk in on. I
hope you have a good support system, it's usually first responders
that have to deal with that. <br>
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Regards,<br>
Mike M<br>
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<div dir="auto">I have just had a terrible experience. I mentioned
earlier about my Trailer Queen buying experience from the son of
a close friend on AZ who passed away on November. I went over
there today and found the son on the floor of the shop passed
away some time during the night. What a thing to walk into. I
just can't fathom how his mother who just lost her husband last
month and now also a son is going to handle this. She is not in
good health either. When it rains it pours. Really a disturbing
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<div>Date: 12/23/19 9:44 AM (GMT-07:00) </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Ok thanks Cecil. Mine is definitely not a 350-lb
Idealarc. Mine is just an older version of this $700 MSRP
machine ($620 on Amazon and Home Depot)
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<div>PS: plexiglas? I get that you need electrical isolation
since polarity is backward, but don't those diodes need to
be heat-sinked?</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at
10:22 AM Cecil Bearden <<a
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<p>It doesn't have to be old Maybe I should have stated
that what sets these welders apart is the IDEALARC 250
designation, that welder sells new for MSRP 2892.00 see
this link
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href="https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/equipment/stick-welders/Pages/idealarc.aspx"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/equipment/stick-welders/Pages/idealarc.aspx</a>
The new ones are square box not the old tombstone. I
have a couple of the newer ones here that I have not
checked out. The one I use all the time had a burned
out diode and I found one on Ebay but it was the wrong
polarity, so I mounted it on plexiglass and ran it
reversed and it works fine. Liincoln wants over $300
for the diodes. I got mine for $20 !! The diodes are
all I have ever had to replace on them. The
transformers are built extremely heavy. The welder
weighs probably 350lbs. There are some on Ebay for
about $600 but the shipping runs the cost up. Like
everything at Farm sales, there is someone there who has
some sentimental attachment to the item and pays a
fortune. I saw 2 brothers bid on an old desk that
belonged to their Uncle and paid over $2500 for a desk
that I have seen in a thrift store for $20 !!!!!!<br>
Cecil<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Again I inquire, how old is old? Is my
late '70's ish tombstone old enough? (I'd take a
grand for it in a heartbeat and put it towards a
modern TIG/stick unit)
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at 8:13 AM Cecil Bearden <<a
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<p>At a Farm sale about 3 months ago, an old 225
AC/DC Lincoln went for $1200, the leads were
about to fall apart. It looked like it had a
rod holder from 1945!!<br>
Cecil<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hold on, you say old LIncoln
tombstones go for a grand? How old do they
have to be? I've got a 225 AC/DC that I
picked up at an auction for $50, had to be 20
years ago, and it was certainly not new then.
As a wild guess I'd say it must be late '70's
to early 80's. Externally it doesn't seem
much different from modern ones and I greatly
doubt mine is old enough to be worth
anything. Curious though.
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22, 2019 at 6:22 PM Cecil Bearden <<a
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<p>I always wanted an old Lincoln
"tombstone"225 AC/DC welder. They sell
at auction for over $1000. An old
local farmer had an estate auction and I
was at the back of the crowd when his
Lincoln Tombstone welder came up for
auction. I got it for $400, but after I
got it home is was a tombstone, but it
was AC only..... I finally got the
chance to buy one on Craigs list for
$600. Then a year later I bought 4 that
had been rebuilt for a VO-Tech out west
for $450 for the lot!!! I first welded
with one of them during college at OSU.
I fell in love with the welder. Those
welders have an open arc voltage of
about 90V. They will make you jump when
welding on wet stuff... However, they
run 7018 LH as pretty as you could ever
want. I have mounted one on a 15KW
generator for a portable welder. It
works great and I have plenty of power
to run grinders etc. <br>
Cecil<br>
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<div>On 12/22/2019 2:59 PM, <a
href="mailto:deanvp@att.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">deanvp@att.net</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext">I
purchased my used Lincoln 225 AMP
arc welder for $100 at a swap
meet. It is quite old. I haven’t
taken the time to try to figure
out how old but I wanted to buy an
older one after looking at new
ones. I looked at the guts of a
new one vs how the old ones were
built and decided an old one would
last longer and probably weld
better. I’ve had it 10 years and
it is ready to go every time I
need it. IMHO, sometimes new
isn’t always better. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:windowtext">Dean VP</span></p>
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style="color:windowtext">Snohomish,
WA 98290</span></p>
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style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> AT <a
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moz-do-not-send="true"><at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike M<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday,
December 21, 2019 9:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT]
Antique tractors that are too
expensive</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt">I've also
seen people bid way too high, they
get caught up in the excitement. I
was standing next to a guy who was
bidding on an old tombstone welder.
I wanted it too. I think he ended up
paying $300 for it. You could buy a
new one for less than that. It's
pays to know what things cost before
bidding on them. I was bidding, but
dropped out at $150, because that is
all I was willing to pay.<br>
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Mike M<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 12/22/2019
12:13 AM, Spencer Yost wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have all
seen it: the tractor the
seller is asking way too much
for. Or conversely; why
buyers don’t show up for our
obviously wonderful tractor
that we post in
EBay/Craigslist/whatever.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So
listening to podcasts tonight,
I ran across a podcast that
was discussing many things,
including a discussion with a
psychologist from Berkeley who
was explaining the “endowment
effect”. I was unaware of
this. Though I had intuited it
many times I did not know it
was a “thing”.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Long story
short it explains why people
often seem to ask way more for
a tractor that I’m willing to
pay.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endowment_effect"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endowment_effect</a></p>
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href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C34&q=endowment+effect&oq=endowment+"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C34&q=endowment+effect&oq=endowment+</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Interestingly,
this is true regardless of how
long they owned it or whether
it had any other type (e.g.
nostalgia) of value. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Unfortunately,
the podcast did not describe
how I, the buyer, could
negotiate my way around this.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">PS: I
will be that seller if I ever
sell the Pacer. (-;</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent from
my iPhone</p>
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