[AT] OT stamping press pits

Cecil Bearden crbearden at copper.net
Thu Dec 12 04:55:39 PST 2019


Just my $0.02, but this housing bubble is going to burst and soon ( 
relative word ).  I am going to be like my old Daddy and hold on tight 
to my money...
Cecil

On 12/12/2019 6:25 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote:
> Actually about $200 an acre is pretty much the standard here in 
> Central Indiana right now for good tillable land (corn / soybean ground).
> Here is a part of an article from a local digital local newspaper 
> about a week ago, describing some county owned property about a mile 
> south west of me:
> ********
>
>
>   County Farm Ground Purchased Over 170 Years Ago Now Generates Income
>
> Shelby County farm ground that is once again up for lease has a long 
> and storied history. Shelby County Commissioners will hold open 
> bidding for a two-year lease on two tracts of ground a week from 
> today. One tract is 196.8 acres of tillable land, located at Shelby 
> Manor in Shelby Township. The second tract is 230.9 acres of tillable 
> land at the Tindall Farm, also in Shelby Township.
> ********
> I should see the results very soon. It typically runs high rent. I 
> don't follow it closely but the last one I read about a year or two 
> ago was $278 an acre per year. It "might" be lower this time since 
> some guys are running pretty tight right now and a number of 
> progressive farmers that often skated quite close to the edge fell 
> over that edge...
> ******
> A tiny place just at the north of our farm that had belonged to the 
> late mother of a 1960 classmate just sold in the last 30 days. As in 
> many such homes she had been unable to keep up with repairs for quite 
> a few years and it was not much of a house to start with. It had about 
> 9 acres, with maybe 1 acre tillable if you cut some brush and little 
> of it is flat. It could be made suitable for a few horses etc. It has 
> an older smallish pole barn and an old fair sized chicken house.
> Some real estate guy bought it to flip... They painted the pole barn 
> and chicken house and cleared a little brush. They had to take down 
> the 1 car attached garage because it was sitting on the septic tank. 
> They put up a detached 2.5 car garage near one corner of the house and 
> did a "remodel" of the house including an unimpressive porch on the 
> front, a new metal roof and new siding. Diana and I stopped and looked 
> in a few windows one day after the for sale sign went up. It looked 
> nice but without a quality house of size to start with it was kind of 
> an odd layout. Don't get me wrong, I would live in it but it was not a 
> Chip and Joanna Gaines project.  😀  It looks "nice" from the road 
> with "nice" being a flexible word. It still screams, "I am a very 
> bland, nondescript, small, old house that has been remodeled very 
> plainly and still looks like a cheap house".
> I guess it did what they wanted... Listed price was $329,000 and I 
> understand from my friend that it sold at about $2,000 over asking...
> ********
>
>
> .
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> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:37 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com 
> <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>> wrote:
>
>     After further research through Michigan State University, I need to
>     revise that figure, down a bit. A lot of the price is dependent on
>     whether the field is tiled and that it drains well. A more realistic
>     price is around $130 per acre.
>
>     Mike M
>
>     On 12/11/2019 11:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote:
>     > Wow!! $200/acre!!  That is a lot compared to Oklahoma. Pasture is
>     > $10/acre, and farmland $20 to $35/acre....  I am sitting on 80 acres
>     > here, right next to me on the West the 80 Sold for $5K/acre.  If I
>     > sold, I would have to move and then pay the Guvmint most of
>     it....  It
>     > took way too long to build those buildings to start over... 
>     However,
>     > it is getting so crowded that we cannot get any farm ground to grow
>     > hay on.  Thses City folks move out here and some have 25 to 40
>     acres.
>     > They want it mowed 5 times a year when they rent it to us for
>     hay!!!
>     > Then they want it looking like a golf course over the winter. 
>     Nothing
>     > to catch the blowing snow....
>     > Cecil
>     >
>     > On 12/11/2019 10:04 PM, Mike M wrote:
>     >> Why would anyone do something so stupid? 200 acres would
>     command almost
>     >> $40,000 per year in rent for your heirs. You'd really be screwing
>     >> them over.
>     >>
>     >> Mike M
>     >>
>     >> On 12/11/2019 10:46 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net
>     <mailto:szabelski at wildblue.net> wrote:
>     >>> In our township they passed an ordnance that requires you to
>     have a
>     >>> minimum of 10 acres in order to build, unless the property was
>     >>> smaller than that prior to the passing of the ordnance. If it was,
>     >>> you can build on it. This was done to keep developers from
>     coming in
>     >>> and cramming 20 Houses on a 10 acre parcel.
>     >>>
>     >>> In addition, here in Michigan, the local power utility has
>     (had???)
>     >>> a program to slow down urban sprawl and keep the power consumption
>     >>> from getting out of hand. If you have a large parcel of land that
>     >>> you are not farming, you can put that land into a land bank
>     with the
>     >>> utility. They will plant the property with trees and you agree not
>     >>> to do any development on the property for something like the
>     next 50
>     >>> or 100 years. Your heirs would be legally bound by this agreement.
>     >>> Don’t know how taxes are handled. If I remember right, you need
>     >>> something like 100 acres to participate.
>     >>>
>     >>> Can’t say how successful they’ve been with this to date.
>     >>>
>     >>> Carl
>     >>> ----- Original Message -----
>     >>> From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>>
>     >>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>     <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>     >>> Sent: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 17:13:25 -0500 (EST)
>     >>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT stamping press pits
>     >>>
>     >>> Hi Farmer,
>     >>> I live in Michigan, and here, provided the farm has been in
>     existence
>     >>> long enough, you can have it declared a Centennial Farm. What
>     it boils
>     >>> down to is it can be sold, but must remain in farming of some
>     sort, and
>     >>> not made into a subdivision. There are also tax incentives if
>     I'm not
>     >>> mistaken.
>     >>>
>     >>> Mike M
>     >>>
>     >>> On 12/11/2019 5:00 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote:
>     >>>> I have done my share of "temporary" installations that may
>     have been a
>     >>>> little shaky as is common for old school farmers but my
>     general plan
>     >>>> most of my life has been to do things "code +" or to be more
>     >>>> technical, "Hell for stout"...  😀
>     >>>> I do find myself being less concerned these days about making
>     sure
>     >>>> that what I do will last 100 years. I'm still optimistic
>     enough to
>     >>>> pretend that I still need a 5 year plan but my old concept of
>     a 20
>     >>>> year plan doesn't carry a lot of weight.
>     >>>> There are several reasons for that. The first is pretty
>     obvious, one
>     >>>> of those other reasons is that the farm I put my blood, sweat and
>     >>>> tears in since 1951, which was a couple of miles out in the
>     country is
>     >>>> now only about a quarter mile across a creek from a rapidly
>     moving
>     >>>> city limits... Land around me that I grew up farming either
>     as rented
>     >>>> land or as custom work is now infested with houses... The
>     chances of
>     >>>> this place falling victim to the bulldozers just keeps
>     increasing. In
>     >>>> recent years the words "eminent domain" are getting tossed
>     around more
>     >>>> and more freely. (shrug)...
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> .
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:40 AM Stephen Offiler
>     <soffiler at gmail.com <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com>
>     >>>> <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>     >>>>
>     >>>>      Service pits are just pits.  Stamping press pits support
>     very
>     >>>>      large, very heavy equipment that creates high shock and
>     vibration
>     >>>>      in service, enough to literally shake the ground, hence the
>     >>>>      recommendation for a soil study.
>     >>>>
>     >>>>      SO
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>>      On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:17 AM Aaron Dickinson
>     >>>>      <a_dickinson at att.net <mailto:a_dickinson at att.net>
>     <mailto:a_dickinson at att.net <mailto:a_dickinson at att.net>>> wrote:
>     >>>>
>     >>>>          I supect most service pits are shallow enough to not
>     >>>> require a
>     >>>>          geotechnical report, however any building project’s
>     >>>> foundation
>     >>>>          design (including service pits) is based on soil bearing
>     >>>>          capacity (at residential level often done by visiual or
>     >>>>          typical for area). When it doubt build for the lesser
>     >>>> bearing.
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>>          *From:* James Peck <mailto:jamesgpeck at hotmail.com
>     <mailto:jamesgpeck at hotmail.com>>
>     >>>>          *Sent:* ‎Wednesday‎, ‎December‎ ‎11‎, ‎2019
>     ‎12‎:‎36‎ ‎AM
>     >>>>          *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>     >>>>          <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>     <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>>          I believe Cecil mentioned he was involved with things
>     >>>>          geotechnical. This talks about having a geotechnical
>     report
>     >>>>          before designing a stamping press pit.
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     https://www.stampingjournal-digital.com/stampingjournal/20191112/MobilePagedReplica.action?pm=1&folio=26#pg26
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>>          I wonder if such a report is used in designing tractor
>     >>>>          dealership service shops.
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