[AT] OT stamping press pits
Cecil Bearden
crbearden at copper.net
Thu Dec 12 04:55:39 PST 2019
Just my $0.02, but this housing bubble is going to burst and soon (
relative word ). I am going to be like my old Daddy and hold on tight
to my money...
Cecil
On 12/12/2019 6:25 AM, Indiana Robinson wrote:
> Actually about $200 an acre is pretty much the standard here in
> Central Indiana right now for good tillable land (corn / soybean ground).
> Here is a part of an article from a local digital local newspaper
> about a week ago, describing some county owned property about a mile
> south west of me:
> ********
>
>
> County Farm Ground Purchased Over 170 Years Ago Now Generates Income
>
> Shelby County farm ground that is once again up for lease has a long
> and storied history. Shelby County Commissioners will hold open
> bidding for a two-year lease on two tracts of ground a week from
> today. One tract is 196.8 acres of tillable land, located at Shelby
> Manor in Shelby Township. The second tract is 230.9 acres of tillable
> land at the Tindall Farm, also in Shelby Township.
> ********
> I should see the results very soon. It typically runs high rent. I
> don't follow it closely but the last one I read about a year or two
> ago was $278 an acre per year. It "might" be lower this time since
> some guys are running pretty tight right now and a number of
> progressive farmers that often skated quite close to the edge fell
> over that edge...
> ******
> A tiny place just at the north of our farm that had belonged to the
> late mother of a 1960 classmate just sold in the last 30 days. As in
> many such homes she had been unable to keep up with repairs for quite
> a few years and it was not much of a house to start with. It had about
> 9 acres, with maybe 1 acre tillable if you cut some brush and little
> of it is flat. It could be made suitable for a few horses etc. It has
> an older smallish pole barn and an old fair sized chicken house.
> Some real estate guy bought it to flip... They painted the pole barn
> and chicken house and cleared a little brush. They had to take down
> the 1 car attached garage because it was sitting on the septic tank.
> They put up a detached 2.5 car garage near one corner of the house and
> did a "remodel" of the house including an unimpressive porch on the
> front, a new metal roof and new siding. Diana and I stopped and looked
> in a few windows one day after the for sale sign went up. It looked
> nice but without a quality house of size to start with it was kind of
> an odd layout. Don't get me wrong, I would live in it but it was not a
> Chip and Joanna Gaines project. 😀 It looks "nice" from the road
> with "nice" being a flexible word. It still screams, "I am a very
> bland, nondescript, small, old house that has been remodeled very
> plainly and still looks like a cheap house".
> I guess it did what they wanted... Listed price was $329,000 and I
> understand from my friend that it sold at about $2,000 over asking...
> ********
>
>
> .
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:37 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com
> <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>> wrote:
>
> After further research through Michigan State University, I need to
> revise that figure, down a bit. A lot of the price is dependent on
> whether the field is tiled and that it drains well. A more realistic
> price is around $130 per acre.
>
> Mike M
>
> On 12/11/2019 11:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote:
> > Wow!! $200/acre!! That is a lot compared to Oklahoma. Pasture is
> > $10/acre, and farmland $20 to $35/acre.... I am sitting on 80 acres
> > here, right next to me on the West the 80 Sold for $5K/acre. If I
> > sold, I would have to move and then pay the Guvmint most of
> it.... It
> > took way too long to build those buildings to start over...
> However,
> > it is getting so crowded that we cannot get any farm ground to grow
> > hay on. Thses City folks move out here and some have 25 to 40
> acres.
> > They want it mowed 5 times a year when they rent it to us for
> hay!!!
> > Then they want it looking like a golf course over the winter.
> Nothing
> > to catch the blowing snow....
> > Cecil
> >
> > On 12/11/2019 10:04 PM, Mike M wrote:
> >> Why would anyone do something so stupid? 200 acres would
> command almost
> >> $40,000 per year in rent for your heirs. You'd really be screwing
> >> them over.
> >>
> >> Mike M
> >>
> >> On 12/11/2019 10:46 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net
> <mailto:szabelski at wildblue.net> wrote:
> >>> In our township they passed an ordnance that requires you to
> have a
> >>> minimum of 10 acres in order to build, unless the property was
> >>> smaller than that prior to the passing of the ordnance. If it was,
> >>> you can build on it. This was done to keep developers from
> coming in
> >>> and cramming 20 Houses on a 10 acre parcel.
> >>>
> >>> In addition, here in Michigan, the local power utility has
> (had???)
> >>> a program to slow down urban sprawl and keep the power consumption
> >>> from getting out of hand. If you have a large parcel of land that
> >>> you are not farming, you can put that land into a land bank
> with the
> >>> utility. They will plant the property with trees and you agree not
> >>> to do any development on the property for something like the
> next 50
> >>> or 100 years. Your heirs would be legally bound by this agreement.
> >>> Don’t know how taxes are handled. If I remember right, you need
> >>> something like 100 acres to participate.
> >>>
> >>> Can’t say how successful they’ve been with this to date.
> >>>
> >>> Carl
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com>>
> >>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >>> Sent: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 17:13:25 -0500 (EST)
> >>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT stamping press pits
> >>>
> >>> Hi Farmer,
> >>> I live in Michigan, and here, provided the farm has been in
> existence
> >>> long enough, you can have it declared a Centennial Farm. What
> it boils
> >>> down to is it can be sold, but must remain in farming of some
> sort, and
> >>> not made into a subdivision. There are also tax incentives if
> I'm not
> >>> mistaken.
> >>>
> >>> Mike M
> >>>
> >>> On 12/11/2019 5:00 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote:
> >>>> I have done my share of "temporary" installations that may
> have been a
> >>>> little shaky as is common for old school farmers but my
> general plan
> >>>> most of my life has been to do things "code +" or to be more
> >>>> technical, "Hell for stout"... 😀
> >>>> I do find myself being less concerned these days about making
> sure
> >>>> that what I do will last 100 years. I'm still optimistic
> enough to
> >>>> pretend that I still need a 5 year plan but my old concept of
> a 20
> >>>> year plan doesn't carry a lot of weight.
> >>>> There are several reasons for that. The first is pretty
> obvious, one
> >>>> of those other reasons is that the farm I put my blood, sweat and
> >>>> tears in since 1951, which was a couple of miles out in the
> country is
> >>>> now only about a quarter mile across a creek from a rapidly
> moving
> >>>> city limits... Land around me that I grew up farming either
> as rented
> >>>> land or as custom work is now infested with houses... The
> chances of
> >>>> this place falling victim to the bulldozers just keeps
> increasing. In
> >>>> recent years the words "eminent domain" are getting tossed
> around more
> >>>> and more freely. (shrug)...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> .
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:40 AM Stephen Offiler
> <soffiler at gmail.com <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com>
> >>>> <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Service pits are just pits. Stamping press pits support
> very
> >>>> large, very heavy equipment that creates high shock and
> vibration
> >>>> in service, enough to literally shake the ground, hence the
> >>>> recommendation for a soil study.
> >>>>
> >>>> SO
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:17 AM Aaron Dickinson
> >>>> <a_dickinson at att.net <mailto:a_dickinson at att.net>
> <mailto:a_dickinson at att.net <mailto:a_dickinson at att.net>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I supect most service pits are shallow enough to not
> >>>> require a
> >>>> geotechnical report, however any building project’s
> >>>> foundation
> >>>> design (including service pits) is based on soil bearing
> >>>> capacity (at residential level often done by visiual or
> >>>> typical for area). When it doubt build for the lesser
> >>>> bearing.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> *From:* James Peck <mailto:jamesgpeck at hotmail.com
> <mailto:jamesgpeck at hotmail.com>>
> >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 11, 2019
> 12:36 AM
> >>>> *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
> >>>> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I believe Cecil mentioned he was involved with things
> >>>> geotechnical. This talks about having a geotechnical
> report
> >>>> before designing a stamping press pit.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> https://www.stampingjournal-digital.com/stampingjournal/20191112/MobilePagedReplica.action?pm=1&folio=26#pg26
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I wonder if such a report is used in designing tractor
> >>>> dealership service shops.
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> >>>> Francis Robinson
> >>>> aka "farmer"
> >>>> Central Indiana USA
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