[AT] OT stamping press pits
macowboy
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Thu Dec 12 06:43:02 PST 2019
I would love to see $200/acre prices here. A 8 acre lot behind us with maybe a 1/2 acre buildable, the untouchable wet lands sold for$150,000! It was bought by a builder who is putting a giant 4000 sqft spec house on it. Our property taxes will be going up again. So far,we are up 25% in 9 years. This affecting a lot of fixed income retirees. My wife volunteers at the senior center in town and some are packing up and moving out. One of her former volunteers moved to western Virginia, bought a nice home with barns and out buildings on 10 acres and pays$700/ year property tax. Things have changed drastically here. Jim Thomson401-339-6902Rehoboth, MASent from my Samsung Galaxy , an AT&T LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net> Date: 12/12/19 7:56 AM (GMT-05:00) To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com Subject: Re: [AT] OT stamping press pits
Just my $0.02, but this housing bubble is going to burst and soon
( relative word ). I am going to be like my old Daddy and hold on
tight to my money...
Cecil
On 12/12/2019 6:25 AM, Indiana Robinson
wrote:
Actually about $200 an acre is pretty much the standard
here in Central Indiana right now for good tillable land (corn
/ soybean ground).
Here is a part of an article from a local digital local
newspaper about a week ago, describing some county owned
property about a mile south west of me:
********
County
Farm Ground Purchased Over 170 Years Ago Now
Generates Income
Shelby County farm ground that
is once again up for lease has a long and
storied history. Shelby County Commissioners
will hold open bidding for a two-year lease on
two tracts of ground a week from today. One
tract is 196.8 acres of tillable land, located
at Shelby Manor in Shelby Township. The second
tract is 230.9 acres of tillable land at the
Tindall Farm, also in Shelby Township.
********
I should see the results very soon. It
typically runs high rent. I don't follow it
closely but the last one I read about a year
or two ago was $278 an acre per year. It
"might" be lower this time since some guys are
running pretty tight right now and a number of
progressive farmers that often skated quite
close to the edge fell over that edge...
******
A tiny place just at the north of our farm
that had belonged to the late mother of a 1960
classmate just sold in the last 30 days. As in
many such homes she had been unable to keep up
with repairs for quite a few years and it was
not much of a house to start with. It had
about 9 acres, with maybe 1 acre tillable if
you cut some brush and little of it is flat.
It could be made suitable for a few horses
etc. It has an older smallish pole barn and an
old fair sized chicken house.
Some real estate guy bought it to flip... They
painted the pole barn and chicken house and
cleared a little brush. They had to take down
the 1 car attached garage because it was
sitting on the septic tank. They put up a
detached 2.5 car garage near one corner of the
house and did a "remodel" of the house
including an unimpressive porch on the front,
a new metal roof and new siding. Diana and I
stopped and looked in a few windows one day
after the for sale sign went up. It looked
nice but without a quality house of size to
start with it was kind of an odd layout. Don't
get me wrong, I would live in it but it was
not a Chip and Joanna Gaines project. 😀 It
looks "nice" from the road with "nice" being a
flexible word. It still screams, "I am a very
bland, nondescript, small, old house that has
been remodeled very plainly and still looks
like a cheap house".
I guess it did what they wanted... Listed
price was $329,000 and I understand from my
friend that it sold at about $2,000 over
asking...
********
.
On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:37
PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
After
further research through Michigan State University, I need to
revise that figure, down a bit. A lot of the price is
dependent on
whether the field is tiled and that it drains well. A more
realistic
price is around $130 per acre.
Mike M
On 12/11/2019 11:19 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote:
> Wow!! $200/acre!! That is a lot compared to Oklahoma.
Pasture is
> $10/acre, and farmland $20 to $35/acre.... I am sitting
on 80 acres
> here, right next to me on the West the 80 Sold for
$5K/acre. If I
> sold, I would have to move and then pay the Guvmint most
of it.... It
> took way too long to build those buildings to start
over... However,
> it is getting so crowded that we cannot get any farm
ground to grow
> hay on. Thses City folks move out here and some have 25
to 40 acres.
> They want it mowed 5 times a year when they rent it to us
for hay!!!
> Then they want it looking like a golf course over the
winter. Nothing
> to catch the blowing snow....
> Cecil
>
> On 12/11/2019 10:04 PM, Mike M wrote:
>> Why would anyone do something so stupid? 200 acres
would command almost
>> $40,000 per year in rent for your heirs. You'd really
be screwing
>> them over.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On 12/11/2019 10:46 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net wrote:
>>> In our township they passed an ordnance that
requires you to have a
>>> minimum of 10 acres in order to build, unless the
property was
>>> smaller than that prior to the passing of the
ordnance. If it was,
>>> you can build on it. This was done to keep
developers from coming in
>>> and cramming 20 Houses on a 10 acre parcel.
>>>
>>> In addition, here in Michigan, the local power
utility has (had???)
>>> a program to slow down urban sprawl and keep the
power consumption
>>> from getting out of hand. If you have a large
parcel of land that
>>> you are not farming, you can put that land into a
land bank with the
>>> utility. They will plant the property with trees
and you agree not
>>> to do any development on the property for
something like the next 50
>>> or 100 years. Your heirs would be legally bound
by this agreement.
>>> Don’t know how taxes are handled. If I remember
right, you need
>>> something like 100 acres to participate.
>>>
>>> Can’t say how successful they’ve been with this
to date.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
>>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> Sent: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 17:13:25 -0500 (EST)
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT stamping press pits
>>>
>>> Hi Farmer,
>>> I live in Michigan, and here, provided the farm
has been in existence
>>> long enough, you can have it declared a
Centennial Farm. What it boils
>>> down to is it can be sold, but must remain in
farming of some sort, and
>>> not made into a subdivision. There are also tax
incentives if I'm not
>>> mistaken.
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>> On 12/11/2019 5:00 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote:
>>>> I have done my share of "temporary"
installations that may have been a
>>>> little shaky as is common for old school
farmers but my general plan
>>>> most of my life has been to do things "code
+" or to be more
>>>> technical, "Hell for stout"... 😀
>>>> I do find myself being less concerned these
days about making sure
>>>> that what I do will last 100 years. I'm still
optimistic enough to
>>>> pretend that I still need a 5 year plan but
my old concept of a 20
>>>> year plan doesn't carry a lot of weight.
>>>> There are several reasons for that. The first
is pretty obvious, one
>>>> of those other reasons is that the farm I put
my blood, sweat and
>>>> tears in since 1951, which was a couple of
miles out in the country is
>>>> now only about a quarter mile across a creek
from a rapidly moving
>>>> city limits... Land around me that I grew up
farming either as rented
>>>> land or as custom work is now infested with
houses... The chances of
>>>> this place falling victim to the bulldozers
just keeps increasing. In
>>>> recent years the words "eminent domain" are
getting tossed around more
>>>> and more freely. (shrug)...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:40 AM Stephen
Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:soffiler at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Service pits are just pits. Stamping
press pits support very
>>>> large, very heavy equipment that creates
high shock and vibration
>>>> in service, enough to literally shake
the ground, hence the
>>>> recommendation for a soil study.
>>>>
>>>> SO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:17 AM Aaron
Dickinson
>>>> <a_dickinson at att.net
<mailto:a_dickinson at att.net>>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I supect most service pits are
shallow enough to not
>>>> require a
>>>> geotechnical report, however any
building project’s
>>>> foundation
>>>> design (including service pits) is
based on soil bearing
>>>> capacity (at residential level often
done by visiual or
>>>> typical for area). When it doubt
build for the lesser
>>>> bearing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* James Peck <mailto:jamesgpeck at hotmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December
11, 2019 12:36 AM
>>>> *To:* Antique Tractor Email
Discussion Group
>>>> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>
>>>> I believe Cecil mentioned he was
involved with things
>>>> geotechnical. This talks about
having a geotechnical report
>>>> before designing a stamping press
pit.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.stampingjournal-digital.com/stampingjournal/20191112/MobilePagedReplica.action?pm=1&folio=26#pg26
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if such a report is used in
designing tractor
>>>> dealership service shops.
>>>>
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