[AT] more HP guaranteed!/now front end on the ground.

[Dean VP]

Just to put this thread into perspective.  It only took 14 HP to get my JD 200 Garden Tractor vertical in a Garden Tractor pull in Glendale, AZ AEDGETA show.

PS: The engine has been changed from 8HP to 14 HP.  😊


Dean VP
Apache junction, AZ

It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. 

-----Original Message-----
From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of charlie hill
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [AT] more HP guaranteed!/now front end on the ground.

Sounds like it was doing a good job for you!

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Hall
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 9:18 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] more HP guaranteed!/now front end on the ground.

Thats about right on the HP. I was running the 4430 in a field one year chiseling bean stubble right after Thanksgiving. As best as I can recall I was dropping close to 7 gallons an hour of diesel. My earlier comment about the only thing original was the frame--lots of wiggling of the shanks---wore/broke springs, u bolts, the cast iron caps on the ends of the springs, plate under the bottom, warped the pcs that the shank mounted in, broke a few shanks and even once I managed to shear 2 of the
3/4 (or are they 7/8) bolts that clamp the shank assembly to the frame.
Definitely a fun piece of machinery to run, but when one was worn out, it got expensive quick. Still see tobacco farmers around here use them.

John Hall

On 3/20/2017 1:57 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> John the chisel plows the guys around here used to run (I haven't seen 
> one in years) required 10 hp per tine plus 10 hp so an 11 tine needed 
> 120 drawbar hp.
> That was in
> moderate to light soil.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Hall
> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 7:59 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] more HP guaranteed!/now front end on the ground.
>
> The only thing we ever had without gauge wheels was a 2 shank 
> subsoiler--old school style, not the modern DMI setups.
> I could handle chisel plowing better if I ran only 9 shanks instead of 
> 11, just not enough tractor. The only thing I ever ran doing heavy 
> tillage has been two 4020 Deeres and a 4430. They all worked pretty 
> good plowing, but deep chiseling was a different story. We used to 
> chisel all our double cropped soybeans and never had any trouble---but 
> we didn't sink it to China either.
>
> John Hall
>
> On 3/18/2017 4:59 PM, Greg Hass wrote:
>> Personally, I have never been a fan of "draft systems" as they have 
>> never worked for me. The only tractor that we ever used it on was a 
>> Farmall 504 when plowing. Even then we had our hand on the lever at 
>> all times and were constantly changing it to do a good job plowing. 
>> We have all mixed ground; some parts heavy ground and some parts 
>> sand. The way draft control works for me is on sand it plows normal 
>> depth and of course in the hard pull the plow raises and might only 
>> go four inches deep which is the opposite of what I want. I prefer to 
>> plow  sand the same depth as clay or maybe even shallower. It does me 
>> no good to have the heavy ground plowed shallow. I now have four 
>> tractors with draft control but haven't used it on any of them in 
>> years. For plowing I use a
>> 3-18 inch roll-over plow. It has a very good depth wheel on the side 
>> any I adjust that and the plow stays an even depth. I also have a 7 
>> shank chisel plow which is 3 pt. hitch. I bought it used and the 
>> previous owner had built depth wheels on each side; he did a very 
>> professional job. Same as with the plow, I just put it down on the 
>> wheels and go and the depth stays the same. One advantage I have over 
>> the old days is I bought a front wheel assist tractor 40 hp bigger 
>> than what I had but kept the same equipment so tough spots don't 
>> really bother me. I'm not saying draft control is useless and no one 
>> should use it; just telling my experience with it. If it works for you, more power to you.
>>          Greg Hass
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