[AT] more HP guaranteed!/now front end on the ground.

charlie hill charliehill at embarqmail.com
Thu Mar 23 08:59:36 PDT 2017


Sounds like it was doing a good job for you!

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: John Hall
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 9:18 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] more HP guaranteed!/now front end on the ground.

Thats about right on the HP. I was running the 4430 in a field one year
chiseling bean stubble right after Thanksgiving. As best as I can recall
I was dropping close to 7 gallons an hour of diesel. My earlier comment
about the only thing original was the frame--lots of wiggling of the
shanks---wore/broke springs, u bolts, the cast iron caps on the ends of
the springs, plate under the bottom, warped the pcs that the shank
mounted in, broke a few shanks and even once I managed to shear 2 of the
3/4 (or are they 7/8) bolts that clamp the shank assembly to the frame.
Definitely a fun piece of machinery to run, but when one was worn out,
it got expensive quick. Still see tobacco farmers around here use them.

John Hall

On 3/20/2017 1:57 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> John the chisel plows the guys around here used to run (I haven't seen one
> in years)
> required 10 hp per tine plus 10 hp so an 11 tine needed 120 drawbar hp.
> That was in
> moderate to light soil.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Hall
> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 7:59 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] more HP guaranteed!/now front end on the ground.
>
> The only thing we ever had without gauge wheels was a 2 shank
> subsoiler--old school style, not the modern DMI setups.
> I could handle chisel plowing better if I ran only 9 shanks instead of
> 11, just not enough tractor. The only thing I ever ran doing heavy
> tillage has been two 4020 Deeres and a 4430. They all worked pretty good
> plowing, but deep chiseling was a different story. We used to chisel all
> our double cropped soybeans and never had any trouble---but we didn't
> sink it to China either.
>
> John Hall
>
> On 3/18/2017 4:59 PM, Greg Hass wrote:
>> Personally, I have never been a fan of "draft systems" as they have
>> never worked for me. The only tractor that we ever used it on was a
>> Farmall 504 when plowing. Even then we had our hand on the lever at all
>> times and were constantly changing it to do a good job plowing. We have
>> all mixed ground; some parts heavy ground and some parts sand. The way
>> draft control works for me is on sand it plows normal depth and of
>> course in the hard pull the plow raises and might only go four inches
>> deep which is the opposite of what I want. I prefer to plow  sand the
>> same depth as clay or maybe even shallower. It does me no good to have
>> the heavy ground plowed shallow. I now have four tractors with draft
>> control but haven't used it on any of them in years. For plowing I use a
>> 3-18 inch roll-over plow. It has a very good depth wheel on the side any
>> I adjust that and the plow stays an even depth. I also have a 7 shank
>> chisel plow which is 3 pt. hitch. I bought it used and the previous
>> owner had built depth wheels on each side; he did a very professional
>> job. Same as with the plow, I just put it down on the wheels and go and
>> the depth stays the same. One advantage I have over the old days is I
>> bought a front wheel assist tractor 40 hp bigger than what I had but
>> kept the same equipment so tough spots don't really bother me. I'm not
>> saying draft control is useless and no one should use it; just telling
>> my experience with it. If it works for you, more power to you.
>>          Greg Hass
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